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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's Jean Steinberg with Jean and

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Chris on the para cast today we're going

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to be talking a little bit later in the

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show with arch skeptic or not so our

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skeptic serious skeptic Lance looting

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and it was a close friend of Jim hoesley

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by the way we'll talk about his

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friendship with Mosely his investigation

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some of which have really brought some

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fascinating results that even someone

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who believes in the reality of certain

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paranormal events will find certainly

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interesting now one thing that has got a

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lot of discussion lately is that episode

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of the Jesse Ventura show this is the

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one that you participated in but most of

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what you did was on the cutting room

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floor I know you talked about someone in

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last week's episode Chris but maybe we

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could get an update of where we're going

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on that because a lot of people's now

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seem to be talking about it

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well again I stand by my carefully

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worded statements last week about the

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project least the program about the

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Sherman ranch or the skinwalker ranch

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case been hijacked and compromised

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during the process it took many months

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more than it normally would take to

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produce a program like that it was sent

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back and forth to the network to be

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edited evidently substantial changes

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were made I was told the episode was

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great and some of the best work they'd

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ever done and now it was merely good and

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it was hinted around that let's put it

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this way that certain people were not

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happy about how the whole thing was

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handled I've made the the comment on at

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the at the forum the pair of cast calm

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that it was if it was as if Bigelow had

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a hand or big Louis people had a hand in

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in somehow selecting and deleting

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Sorvino you don't know personally that

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Bigelow was involved no

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you know it's just suspicion based in

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the fact that particular as if he was

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involved based on my my direct close

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personal involvement with the actual

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proof you know the the whole original

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idea of how to approach the Sherman

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ranch portion of the show the people to

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contact them the types of focus where

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that focus should go I work closely with

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the producers with the director with the

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researchers associate producers on

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developing that part of the show they

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should have broke it into two shows they

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should have done one on Bigelow and

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really dove in on that subject and then

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done a complete show on the ranch they

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tried to I think bite off too much the

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very fact that Robert Bigelow was was

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pretty much ambushed on private property

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and and was willing for the first time

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to my knowledge to appear on network

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television especially I definitely the

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first time where I've that I know of

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that he's actually made comments

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publicly relating to to the paranormal I

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would think that they would need to get

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legal will a legal release form from him

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to use his image and his comments the

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guy's a billionaire you don't just use a

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billionaires statements about a

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controversial subject without having

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some sort of understanding with that

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individual and that would obviously be

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in writing I don't care what some of our

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detractors including today's guest says

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about that he's a television

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professional he should know better than

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to say oh they didn't need a release for

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him they do need a release for him to

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use somebody's image why no and I'm

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voice on TV great whether the show goes

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on or not I have to sign a release I've

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been involved the gene somewhere in the

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neighborhood of 50 television projects I

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have been working as a professional

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videographer producing all sorts of

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different varied types of programming

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for quite a number of years I have never

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done a project where a release form

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wasn't required by somebody who was

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being focused on even people in the

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background

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in certain instances need to have

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release forms just to be shown so the

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assertion by today's guests that that

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that usually usually a release form is

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it needed I'm sorry that's that's that's

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absolutely wrong and he should know

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better he claims you know a particular

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post that he actually for some reason

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deleted from the forms that he was a

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news director for five years and have

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been working in video editing film

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editing for quite a number of years so

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if anybody should know if you're

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covering a news event what so you go a

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cover an event you're not getting get

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permissions from people you were

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covering a public event and this is

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something where you send your cameras

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out as long as the public is admitted

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you bring your cameras in or your audio

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recording gear or both and you record

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what's there you don't need permission

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from anybody it's a public event but

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when you sitting down and have someone

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reviewed you wanna know you have

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permission to do that interview well the

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show was about big low come on the guy

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needed to sign a release form for

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Jesse's production company who he's

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working with to use his image and voice

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there's just no way around that

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especially since the guy's a billionaire

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what are you gonna put yourself in legal

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jeopardy you don't want to you know have

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big low on your production company after

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a series of litigations anyway the

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bottom line is this if Bigelow signed a

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release form you know there was a

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negotiation now there would have to be

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because I know how this is done I

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negotiate my release forms oftentimes so

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and I mean you know Who am I I'm not

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I'll tell you what you wear if you to

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our show here but right now you're just

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a poor working stiff and most of it is

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skiing very stiff at our age yeah anyway

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it's gonna be a great show today I'm

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really looking forward to it and you

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know Lance I I don't care what Lance may

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think of me I really appreciate Lance in

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many ways I think he's he's for some

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unknown reason decided to elect himself

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some sort of cop you know psy cop of our

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forum and and has done a great job in

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and in really dogged ly doing some

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research and we're gonna obviously talk

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about that and he he does have a very

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you know rational very objective very

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conservative view about paranormal

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subjects and and he is a valued

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participant as I mentioned on our forums

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so before the forums but Jean I think he

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sets a record yes the first guest on the

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show who's been banned twice can you dig

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it

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have we ever had even a guest who has

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been banned no we have not

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no of course we've had guests who were

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later a band such as He Who Shall Not Be

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Named who of course was a follower of a

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certain one-armed person from Europe a

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contact D he was on the power cast twice

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he participated in our forums and then

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we just had enough of him I have had

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enough of you like William Shatner said

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in Star Trek 3 the search for Spock when

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he was talking to Christopher Lloyd who

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played us a Klingon don't ask about that

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but we decided we had enough of He Who

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Shall Not Be Named

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and therefore we banned him he's gone is

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history I haven't been banned by the way

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but I should tell you that actually a

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former co-host of the show had me ban

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him a few times this would be fine

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and by the way just to let you listeners

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know we also have been looking into a

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very lengthy review and Amazon books of

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the two books missing for one one from

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David Politis and there are some

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questions voice some possibly legitimate

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questions number one about his

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background number two about the extent

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of his research and rather than talk

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about here because we're talking about

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pages of material with pages of

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references and I've never seen such a

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long review at Amazon number in review

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in Amazon's a couple of paragraphs or

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maybe a page or so this goes on for

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pages and pages and this guy's not very

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impressed you know with David's book all

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I'm going to say is you gotta listen to

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both sides and see what happens but

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without having read the thing thoroughly

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because you know I have a wife also

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I have to say that there are questions

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David Politis has to answer with regard

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to his research into the mysterious case

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of missing people doesn't mean as

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research is wrong nobody's perfect but

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let's see where that goes and we're

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gonna take it in future episodes

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meantime on this week's episode we have

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our favorite skeptic on the power cast

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forums at forum dr. power cast calm his

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Lance moody has been active for a number

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of years in the skeptical movement and

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we're going to find out why we're gonna

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find out about his research but we've

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got a lot of questions from you

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listeners to ask of lense and we'll see

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where that takes us and I rather suspect

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he may be back for a sequel with gene

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and Chris you're in the para cast

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joining us on the para cast with Jean

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Steinberg and Chris O'Brien and he tells

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us here that he's scared to death of us

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right well I'm a little nervous I

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haven't ever done an interview like this

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on on the radio these a long one I've

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called in to talk shows before I called

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in and spoke with Don Ecker once and I

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enjoyed that but it's not something I do

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regularly and I sure as hell don't know

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how we're gonna do two hours but let's

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try well I'll tell you what what happens

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here is if we run out of things for you

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to say Chris and I will fill in oh good

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good talk a lot okay talks the monkey

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ourselves something like that and Chris

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and I will just have arguments and

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debates with each other and you can

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laugh or something like that yeah okay

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now one of the things I wanted to

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mention early on Lance is that you were

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friends with Jim Mosely and one of the

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things I said when we had our Jim Mosely

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memorial show a couple of weeks back is

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that Jim had a wide net of friends he

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was friends with believers like Howard

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manager the contactee he was friends

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with the people in the middle like me or

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Chris friends with skeptics like you

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like Phil class even Donald Menzel I

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think he was fence with Tim Printy as

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well sure they spoke regularly and early

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on Jim was pretty friendly with the

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amazing Randi James Ray yes yes

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but they had a falling out which is

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complicated but I know when randy

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replaced long john nibble when long john

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went from wor to WNBC in the early days

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of that particular show randy replaced

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him for about a year before he was fired

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and jim switched over and when i Randy's

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Show and they were pretty friendly and

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later on when I got into radio

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broadcasting because Randy was kind of

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an amateur astronomer I did an interview

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with him I interviewed him in New York

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for

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one of my radio shows so it was very

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interesting then later on of course you

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got involved in sceptics and everything

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but as someone who's in the skeptical

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position here tell us what you knew

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about you Mosley I know there's an

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interview online that you recorded with

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him that's really fascinating yeah I met

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him I guess that was 2003 if I'm not

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mistaken in we met at the site of the

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Mothman stories I think there was a

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festival going on over there I drove

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over and I at the time I was thinking I

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was gonna do this documentary about Otis

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Carr and Jim didn't know really anything

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about Otis car but he was a regular on

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the long John Neville show so I'd gotten

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very interested in the long John Neville

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show and started to collect episodes of

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that and I talked to a lot of the people

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that were involved with the show and I

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had known Jim really probably since the

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early 90s right before I really became

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like a you know a hardcore skeptic I

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subscribed to the saucer smear and

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started talking to him on the phone i i

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enjoyed that and then all through that

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time period from the early 90s all the

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way up to his death i think i spoke with

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him maybe a week or two before he died

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we would speak you know once a month or

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so sometimes a few times in a row and

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then other times they may be a little

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bit more time would go by but i

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definitely spoke with him quite a few

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times and many many hours of enjoyment

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listening to him and and having him tell

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me the stories and tell me about the the

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old personalities all many of whom have

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been forgotten now and tell me about the

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long john Nebel show his days in New

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York his and the crazy people that he

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he's known you know I think that I don't

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think many of your listeners can say

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this but I listened to the very first

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pair of cast when it came out I mean

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like you know right when it came out and

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because Jim had told me that he was

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going to be on this show and I sought it

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out I don't remember if he were on Apple

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iTunes feed at the time or yes we were

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yeah one yeah and and so I heard the

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show right when it came out so I've been

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a

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of interviews with Steven Greer one time

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he was really angry you could tell he

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was getting under his skin which was

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good we asked him a very hard question

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either it's kind of you express a degree

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of skepticism suddenly you know yeah

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yeah he really rated just go off the

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deep end right there

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didn't happen well I know that that you

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and David have you know have split ways

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as well you had your own falling out but

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he certainly brought like you know a

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sense of excitement to some of those

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early shows because you really didn't

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know where where they were going to go I

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don't want to get into the discussions

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of the split up very much amicable I

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know there are some issues later on but

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he sent me a letter saying that the

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presence on the power cast was hurting

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his as they say civilian career and they

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couldn't do it anymore and let's just

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leave it at that because that is as far

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as I'm concerned the official

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explanation there may have been some

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other concerns he voiced later on but

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I'd rather not get into it the key is

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here is that you've been a listener to

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the show for a long time you've also

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been a very regular participant between

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being banned a couple of times a regular

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participant in the power cast forums why

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do we ban you by the way - I think I

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think it's been banned not not not only

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once but by both of us well I very well

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may be banned any time now you know you

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just never know it's I think David

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banned me the first time because I said

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something you know that he didn't like

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but you know III like David and and and

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and I like I like Eugene I wanted to

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mention also

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I thought of some of the things that I

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could say in the five minutes that I

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thought I could fill I remember that I

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met you actually just online well before

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anything to do with the paranormal I was

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an early user of I don't know if it was

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called America online then or if it was

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had another name relating it to Apple

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but actually here's the I'll give you

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the history one here the history the

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history is that Apple was going to have

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something called Apple Link's personal

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Edition Apple had the service called

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Apple Inc's an online service in the 80s

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designed mostly for dealers and

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developers and they hooked up with a

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company called quantum computer services

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run by a guy named Steve Case and this

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was going to be a new version of it

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called Apple Inc's personal Edition and

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some reason they had a falling-out or

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something so quantum came up with

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America Online later renamed AOL and I

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became one of the first charter members

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in 1989 and later on they actually gave

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me a job a paid forum manager well I

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think it was in that in that capacity

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that you must have answered a question I

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had or something like that because I

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remembered the name and I remembered you

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distinctive salutation piece and that's

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very hard to use these days it's very

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hard to believe in yeah right well I

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don't remember no no I'm sure you would

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I'm sure I was just one of many many

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people that you helped but that was my

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first contact with gene Steinberg you

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know I helped a lot of people over the

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years I even helped Tom Clancy Thomas

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author and many years later at one of

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those Macworld Expos I haven't heard

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from him in many years and maybe he

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decided he hated me I wasn't quite as

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right-wing as he was or is I don't know

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but I have not heard from him in over a

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decade but I did help him with his

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cd-rom and a few other issues so that

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was fascinating I don't know how we

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hi this is Don Ecker and you are tuned

622
00:27:09,180 --> 00:27:06,790
in to the para cast let me tell you what

623
00:27:12,690 --> 00:27:09,190
you're gonna hear stuff here that you

624
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probably won't hear anywhere else hear

625
00:27:18,870 --> 00:27:15,810
that George snoring Lance moody joins

626
00:27:20,460 --> 00:27:18,880
Gina and Chris and the power cast we're

627
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kind of just getting acquainted with him

628
00:27:25,950 --> 00:27:22,570
here I think one question I'm gonna ask

629
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:25,960
you before we get further into the realm

630
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:28,330
of the paranormal everything that is

631
00:27:34,770 --> 00:27:31,810
you're a skeptic and being a skeptic why

632
00:27:36,570 --> 00:27:34,780
bother with this field just leave it to

633
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the lunatics if that's what you think we

634
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are why are you involved in this at all

635
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I get that question a lot I don't know

636
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it's it's it's a little bit of a hobby

637
00:27:48,450 --> 00:27:45,730
you know it's it's it's something I'm

638
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interested in I was very very interested

639
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in sort of the sociological aspect of of

640
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the thing very much like Jim Mosley was

641
00:27:59,700 --> 00:27:55,930
interested in the characters and the

642
00:28:03,180 --> 00:27:59,710
people but additionally you know I guess

643
00:28:05,310 --> 00:28:03,190
I enjoy talking about a science about

644
00:28:07,500 --> 00:28:05,320
what I perceive science to be I'm

645
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certainly not a scientist but I like the

646
00:28:12,300 --> 00:28:09,910
scientific method I believe in it in

647
00:28:15,420 --> 00:28:12,310
general I became a skeptic because there

648
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:15,430
are things like faith healers and and

649
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:17,290
fortune tellers and people like that

650
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:21,010
that prey on poor people people who are

651
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:22,690
at their lowest point people who've lost

652
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a child and a psychic comes along and

653
00:28:29,220 --> 00:28:26,830
pretends that they can locate the child

654
00:28:32,010 --> 00:28:29,230
like like Sylvia Browne does and those

655
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:32,020
kind of things I felt compunction to try

656
00:28:38,130 --> 00:28:35,170
to fight against UFOs for the most part

657
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:38,140
pretty I don't know a pretty harmless

658
00:28:41,910 --> 00:28:40,090
but it became one of my interests I

659
00:28:43,950 --> 00:28:41,920
think a lot of the interest came when I

660
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:43,960
started working on that documentary when

661
00:28:49,350 --> 00:28:47,170
I was trying to research that that I

662
00:28:50,940 --> 00:28:49,360
became fascinated now you were

663
00:28:53,130 --> 00:28:50,950
researching someone named Otis

664
00:28:56,420 --> 00:28:53,140
t-carr who was going to build some kind

665
00:29:00,510 --> 00:28:56,430
of free energy machine yeah Otis car was

666
00:29:02,130 --> 00:29:00,520
sort of never do well from New York he

667
00:29:04,620 --> 00:29:02,140
lived in New York he worked as a bellboy

668
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:04,630
actually there and he claimed I guess

669
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:06,370
this is training if you want to build a

670
00:29:09,930 --> 00:29:08,290
free energy machine you should try

671
00:29:12,700 --> 00:29:09,940
working as a bellboy because you need a

672
00:29:15,100 --> 00:29:12,710
lot of energy well he did pretty well he

673
00:29:17,019 --> 00:29:15,110
convinced a lot of people that he had

674
00:29:21,279 --> 00:29:17,029
gotten the secret to building free

675
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energy machines from Nikola Tesla and he

676
00:29:25,060 --> 00:29:23,389
supposedly the story is that Tesla you

677
00:29:27,970 --> 00:29:25,070
know lived in a hotel there the same

678
00:29:32,289 --> 00:29:27,980
hotel that car worked in supposedly that

679
00:29:34,299 --> 00:29:32,299
car would listen to Tesla as Tesla gave

680
00:29:37,239 --> 00:29:34,309
him secrets that he'd given no one else

681
00:29:41,039 --> 00:29:37,249
secrets of free energy he would give

682
00:29:44,109 --> 00:29:41,049
this to the bellboy - yeah - the bellboy

683
00:29:46,389 --> 00:29:44,119
as Carr told the story he would get you

684
00:29:48,940 --> 00:29:46,399
know he would go and get feed for the

685
00:29:52,060 --> 00:29:48,950
pigeons that Tesla loved pigeon pigeon

686
00:29:54,730 --> 00:29:52,070
keeping was something that Tesla was was

687
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:54,740
apparently into doves and pigeons he

688
00:29:57,789 --> 00:29:56,330
would feed him from his hotel room and

689
00:30:00,070 --> 00:29:57,799
keep him in his hotel room apparently

690
00:30:02,340 --> 00:30:00,080
which I think as I understand it led to

691
00:30:06,100 --> 00:30:02,350
him having to leave one of his hotels

692
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:06,110
but yes a car basically his idea was

693
00:30:11,230 --> 00:30:07,970
that he had the secret to building a

694
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:11,240
free energy device and he was trying to

695
00:30:16,869 --> 00:30:14,690
sell this thing called a circular foil

696
00:30:19,509 --> 00:30:16,879
craft which was essentially a flying

697
00:30:21,789 --> 00:30:19,519
saucer he got involved with a guy named

698
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:21,799
Norman Colton and I'm doing this all

699
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:23,210
from memory so I make it some of this

700
00:30:28,330 --> 00:30:25,490
wrong but I think I remember it mostly

701
00:30:29,710 --> 00:30:28,340
will ask you questions later yeah he got

702
00:30:32,470 --> 00:30:29,720
involved with a guy named Norman Colton

703
00:30:34,899 --> 00:30:32,480
who put sort of a veneer of marketing on

704
00:30:37,139 --> 00:30:34,909
top of this effort and that's when

705
00:30:39,850 --> 00:30:37,149
things started to take off they made a

706
00:30:42,460 --> 00:30:39,860
you know a company Otis T car

707
00:30:44,889 --> 00:30:42,470
enterprises and they began to sell

708
00:30:46,779 --> 00:30:44,899
shares not necessarily legally selling

709
00:30:49,659 --> 00:30:46,789
shares but they they began to sell

710
00:30:52,810 --> 00:30:49,669
shares to the company and begin speaking

711
00:30:54,239 --> 00:30:52,820
all over the place and this was late 50s

712
00:30:57,639 --> 00:30:54,249
it was during the time when there were

713
00:30:59,950 --> 00:30:57,649
tons of these UFO clubs all across the

714
00:31:02,799 --> 00:30:59,960
country and these UFO cups were

715
00:31:04,450 --> 00:31:02,809
typically composed of two kinds of types

716
00:31:06,789 --> 00:31:04,460
of people it's similar to the way the

717
00:31:09,460 --> 00:31:06,799
UFO movement is nowadays where they're

718
00:31:11,259 --> 00:31:09,470
they're very metaphysical types and then

719
00:31:12,970 --> 00:31:11,269
there's these nuts and bolts types all

720
00:31:15,580 --> 00:31:12,980
of them would come together but in these

721
00:31:18,789 --> 00:31:15,590
clubs and car would go around the

722
00:31:20,889 --> 00:31:18,799
country speaking and gathering money for

723
00:31:24,369 --> 00:31:20,899
this flying saucer

724
00:31:26,289 --> 00:31:24,379
it sounds like Steven Greer yeah except

725
00:31:28,479 --> 00:31:26,299
for a car actually had a real

726
00:31:31,209 --> 00:31:28,489
flying saucer I'm not saying it flew but

727
00:31:33,099 --> 00:31:31,219
he really did have one belt Lance you

728
00:31:36,249 --> 00:31:33,109
may not believe this but one of his

729
00:31:37,509 --> 00:31:36,259
protege is ralph ring happened to stop

730
00:31:40,749 --> 00:31:37,519
by my house today

731
00:31:42,609 --> 00:31:40,759
funny irony there well I know Ralph ring

732
00:31:45,489 --> 00:31:42,619
I thought Ralph's ring was in Las Vegas

733
00:31:48,969 --> 00:31:45,499
is that I believe he is he was doing a

734
00:31:51,359 --> 00:31:48,979
trip here there's a case that I'm being

735
00:31:54,339 --> 00:31:51,369
brought in on kind of reluctantly

736
00:31:56,789 --> 00:31:54,349
involving a woman with hundreds of hours

737
00:32:00,339 --> 00:31:56,799
of videos and still photographs of

738
00:32:03,759 --> 00:32:00,349
Lovecraft over basket which is not quite

739
00:32:05,049 --> 00:32:03,769
passing muster my initial my initial

740
00:32:07,359 --> 00:32:05,059
appraisal of this but anyway I just

741
00:32:09,729 --> 00:32:07,369
wanted to mention that because Ralph's

742
00:32:12,940 --> 00:32:09,739
ring of course has carried the banner of

743
00:32:15,669 --> 00:32:12,950
Otis T car and how how important he was

744
00:32:18,569 --> 00:32:15,679
and stuff forward into the 21st century

745
00:32:20,829 --> 00:32:18,579
and I just thought it's just ironic that

746
00:32:22,419 --> 00:32:20,839
cars though you know one of his main

747
00:32:25,029 --> 00:32:22,429
Protege should have stopped by my house

748
00:32:27,279 --> 00:32:25,039
today yeah absolutely well well mister

749
00:32:30,359 --> 00:32:27,289
ring was extremely helpful to me a very

750
00:32:34,449 --> 00:32:30,369
very nice man and yeah and I found him

751
00:32:36,279 --> 00:32:34,459
probably getting 97-98 a night like that

752
00:32:38,319 --> 00:32:36,289
well before any of the other people who

753
00:32:41,019 --> 00:32:38,329
interviewed him and I think maybe this

754
00:32:42,549 --> 00:32:41,029
might get to some of the gist of what I

755
00:32:44,799 --> 00:32:42,559
think you guys wanted to talk about as

756
00:32:46,810 --> 00:32:44,809
far as sceptics go is that you know I

757
00:32:48,339 --> 00:32:46,820
interviewed Ralph I talked to him he was

758
00:32:50,349 --> 00:32:48,349
extremely nice to me I have nothing bad

759
00:32:53,589 --> 00:32:50,359
to say about Ralph's ring he sent me

760
00:32:56,649 --> 00:32:53,599
some excellent material but the story he

761
00:32:58,389 --> 00:32:56,659
told me back then is quite a bit

762
00:33:00,489 --> 00:32:58,399
different than the story that he told

763
00:33:01,869 --> 00:33:00,499
for instance the Project Camelot people

764
00:33:03,759 --> 00:33:01,879
and and this is something that I

765
00:33:07,119 --> 00:33:03,769
encountered over and over again

766
00:33:09,999 --> 00:33:07,129
suddenly Ralph's story he began to focus

767
00:33:12,399 --> 00:33:10,009
more on Ralph it began ralph became the

768
00:33:16,180 --> 00:33:12,409
center more of the center of the focus

769
00:33:17,889 --> 00:33:16,190
of voters car then he was when he when I

770
00:33:20,019 --> 00:33:17,899
talked to him and I found that you know

771
00:33:22,629 --> 00:33:20,029
I talked to so many different people I

772
00:33:25,029 --> 00:33:22,639
probably talked to every living person

773
00:33:27,879 --> 00:33:25,039
who was somehow involved with the Otis

774
00:33:31,089 --> 00:33:27,889
car I talked for instance to Howard

775
00:33:32,769 --> 00:33:31,099
mentor Howard mentor put himself in the

776
00:33:35,739 --> 00:33:32,779
center of things somehow or another he

777
00:33:37,779 --> 00:33:35,749
he decided that he was he was the focus

778
00:33:38,769 --> 00:33:37,789
of car even though I I'm not even sure

779
00:33:39,769 --> 00:33:38,779
if car

780
00:33:41,950 --> 00:33:39,779
really

781
00:33:44,479 --> 00:33:41,960
minja other than he attended that famous

782
00:33:46,849 --> 00:33:44,489
conference that Minter had there in New

783
00:33:49,719 --> 00:33:46,859
Jersey well you know it's a curious

784
00:33:51,889 --> 00:33:49,729
thing here Jim Mosley and I became

785
00:33:55,580 --> 00:33:51,899
somewhat acquainted with Howard mentor

786
00:33:58,700 --> 00:33:55,590
back in the mid to late 60s where we had

787
00:34:01,310 --> 00:33:58,710
lunch with mender at this diner across

788
00:34:03,469 --> 00:34:01,320
from 303 Fifth Avenue in New York City

789
00:34:05,509 --> 00:34:03,479
and manager was saying you know what

790
00:34:07,700 --> 00:34:05,519
maybe I didn't meet Venusians or

791
00:34:09,619 --> 00:34:07,710
saturnians or whatever alien beings he

792
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:09,629
claimed to have met maybe I was the

793
00:34:13,279 --> 00:34:11,010
victim of some sort of government

794
00:34:15,399 --> 00:34:13,289
experiment but later on II seem to have

795
00:34:18,289 --> 00:34:15,409
retreated from that and then he got to

796
00:34:19,609 --> 00:34:18,299
wanting to build his own flying saucers

797
00:34:21,769 --> 00:34:19,619
but I wasn't aware of the connection

798
00:34:23,779 --> 00:34:21,779
directly without his T car except for

799
00:34:25,700 --> 00:34:23,789
wanting to build something or other I

800
00:34:28,039 --> 00:34:25,710
could not find any connection between

801
00:34:30,950 --> 00:34:28,049
mentor and car I I never actually found

802
00:34:33,049 --> 00:34:30,960
one but but when I spoke to mentor he at

803
00:34:35,779 --> 00:34:33,059
his own connection that involved the FBI

804
00:34:37,909 --> 00:34:35,789
and things that I knew weren't correct

805
00:34:40,369 --> 00:34:37,919
as far as the time goes and the cities

806
00:34:43,490 --> 00:34:40,379
he was talking about but he put himself

807
00:34:45,049 --> 00:34:43,500
in the center of the of the story and

808
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:45,059
that's similar to what I feel like

809
00:34:50,059 --> 00:34:47,970
Ralph's ring did with when from when I

810
00:34:53,389 --> 00:34:50,069
talked to him to when he later became

811
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:53,399
interviewed by other people is that his

812
00:34:58,279 --> 00:34:56,010
story became bigger it became the things

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he did became bigger and you know I

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think he might have been only perhaps 19

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or something like that when all this was

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going on but again I'm not gonna say

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anything negative about mr. ring other

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than you know I don't think that the

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story he told me is the same story that

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he's telling now interesting well

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uncanny ability to pull all sorts of

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don't care how much of a true believer

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you are once you stoop to the level of

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some of the things that are presented on

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that particular site you have really

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suspended your disbelief Minh I found

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out that Richard Dolan was going to do

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an interview and have a place there you

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know I emailed him and said rich man

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really think about this really and he

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I'm like hey well whatever but and I'll

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tell you when it comes to many aspects

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of this field it's it's quite

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embarrassing to be associated with it in

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any way and and it isn't unfortunate

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hi my name is Richard Dolan you're

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listening to the Peres Cass

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moving along with Lance Moody skeptic

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joining gene and Chris and the power

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cast in a sense we're skeptics too but

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our skepticism may not be near as severe

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as Lance Lance you've been involved I

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have a bad case of it yes okay well I

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understand there's a cure maybe you

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stick some antidepressants in your

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bottle of water there you know I think

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00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:41,310
just one good anal probing would change

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00:41:48,290 --> 00:41:43,770
his mind as it would a lot of people

961
00:41:50,630 --> 00:41:48,300
James Randi would come to mind see Penn

962
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from Penn & Teller teller would run away

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00:41:54,470 --> 00:41:53,609
they couldn't catch him but anyway I'm

964
00:41:57,650 --> 00:41:54,480
sorry I digress

965
00:42:00,890 --> 00:41:57,660
I'm gonna ask you Lance how did you

966
00:42:03,020 --> 00:42:00,900
first become interested and active in

967
00:42:04,220 --> 00:42:03,030
the skeptical movement because you've

968
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been doing this for a while

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well I the thing I remember the most is

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that there was a guy a local guy named

971
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Pat Packard who was a UFO researcher and

972
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there was also a researcher here in

973
00:42:21,140 --> 00:42:18,359
Cincinnati named Kenny young and both

974
00:42:24,079 --> 00:42:21,150
those guys I somehow got to where I met

975
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them and we talked with each other I

976
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think I went on their little they had

977
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like a public access show and I went on

978
00:42:35,390 --> 00:42:31,859
that briefly with them and we talked a

979
00:42:37,460 --> 00:42:35,400
lot about about UFOs and and I had by

980
00:42:39,620 --> 00:42:37,470
that time really become a skeptic and

981
00:42:41,750 --> 00:42:39,630
Packard was a good friends with Kevin

982
00:42:43,670 --> 00:42:41,760
Randle he talked to Kevin Randle all the

983
00:42:46,070 --> 00:42:43,680
time he was very interested in the

984
00:42:48,890 --> 00:42:46,080
Roswell case and this was right around

985
00:42:51,349 --> 00:42:48,900
the time that that Randle second book

986
00:42:53,210 --> 00:42:51,359
had come out which was I can remember

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the name up at UFO crash at Roswell or

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something like that or maybe it's the

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truth about the UFO crash at Roswell I

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00:43:01,280 --> 00:42:59,160
got the book Kevin Randle came to town

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00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:01,290
he did a lecture I went to the lecture I

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bought his book I have a signed copy of

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his book and you know I started reading

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his book and just in the first couple of

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pages he talks about the night of the

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suppose a trois ball crash he talks

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about in the sky that some nuns that

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were in the Roswell area some Franciscan

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nuns if I remember correctly looking out

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the window and they saw a wasn't

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appeared to be a disabled aircraft of

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some kind in the sky and that they made

1003
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a note of

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in their diary Kevin Randall in his book

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you know his books full of a lot of UFO

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books are full of footnotes and stuff to

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make him look very scientific so he had

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a footnote there as though he had the

1009
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footnote said something like the diaries

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of the Franciscan nuns held and so and

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so or something like that you know it

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made it sound as though he had seen the

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actual diary but I was I was wondering

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why did he paraphrase the you know the

1015
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entry why didn't he give us exactly what

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the entry said instead of paraphrasing

1017
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:07,440
which is how he presented it and I asked

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Pat Packard about that and he was

1019
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supposed to ask Kevin he told me he

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asked Kevin he never really got an

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answer and you know it was just I think

1022
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finally just within the past couple of

1023
00:44:22,430 --> 00:44:20,250
months that Kevin finally admitted that

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he had never actually seen the diary

1025
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that someone had told him that they had

1026
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seen the diary somehow someone

1027
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contemporaneously told him that forty

1028
00:44:33,230 --> 00:44:30,750
years ago they've seen the diary and

1029
00:44:35,780 --> 00:44:33,240
this is what it said and he accepted

1030
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that instead of actually seeing the

1031
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thing but he he definitely cited it as

1032
00:44:43,250 --> 00:44:40,620
though he had actually seen it that was

1033
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:43,260
the first step that that led me down

1034
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:46,290
this idea of you know looking into

1035
00:44:49,070 --> 00:44:47,970
things that can actually be checked out

1036
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:49,080
because that was something that you

1037
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:50,490
could check out let me ask you a

1038
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:52,650
question before you go on did he explain

1039
00:44:58,700 --> 00:44:56,610
why he was somewhat misleading on that

1040
00:45:01,340 --> 00:44:58,710
particular segment of his book he

1041
00:45:04,490 --> 00:45:01,350
essentially in his in one of his columns

1042
00:45:07,250 --> 00:45:04,500
at his blog he essentially apologizes

1043
00:45:09,620 --> 00:45:07,260
for him and admits that it wasn't done

1044
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:09,630
properly but I had been badgering him

1045
00:45:14,420 --> 00:45:11,850
about it for you know although these

1046
00:45:17,990 --> 00:45:14,430
many years and he finally admitted it

1047
00:45:19,190 --> 00:45:18,000
it's hard to sometimes it's hard to get

1048
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people to admit when they made mistakes

1049
00:45:23,750 --> 00:45:21,350
but I appreciate the fact that he did

1050
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:23,760
and you know it's it's it's one of those

1051
00:45:29,060 --> 00:45:26,610
things where it made me think well gosh

1052
00:45:31,100 --> 00:45:29,070
you know all these things look like they

1053
00:45:33,290 --> 00:45:31,110
look all scientific and everything but

1054
00:45:35,210 --> 00:45:33,300
maybe they aren't maybe maybe

1055
00:45:38,090 --> 00:45:35,220
everybody's making things up you know

1056
00:45:40,460 --> 00:45:38,100
just from one mistake you assume

1057
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:40,470
everyone's making things up no no no

1058
00:45:44,090 --> 00:45:42,690
believe me after that there were many

1059
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:44,100
more mistakes along

1060
00:45:48,230 --> 00:45:46,410
that I found but that was the you asked

1061
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:48,240
me about the first one that I came

1062
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:49,770
across what kind of got me started and

1063
00:45:53,090 --> 00:45:51,090
that's one of the earliest things I

1064
00:45:55,610 --> 00:45:53,100
remember looking into well Lance I mean

1065
00:45:58,850 --> 00:45:55,620
let me cut in here you and I go back

1066
00:46:01,760 --> 00:45:58,860
online now three or four years we've had

1067
00:46:03,380 --> 00:46:01,770
some contentious moments yes crack

1068
00:46:05,410 --> 00:46:03,390
researcher have you checked in to mine

1069
00:46:08,330 --> 00:46:05,420
my research what have you found

1070
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:08,340
you mean if I looked into your actual

1071
00:46:13,240 --> 00:46:10,410
yeah have you actually made some phone

1072
00:46:15,740 --> 00:46:13,250
calls looked up some of the references

1073
00:46:17,300 --> 00:46:15,750
check quotes with witnesses that sort of

1074
00:46:20,270 --> 00:46:17,310
thing on any of my work have you done

1075
00:46:21,710 --> 00:46:20,280
any any sort of digging IIb sort of I'd

1076
00:46:23,660 --> 00:46:21,720
be very interested first of all to know

1077
00:46:26,150 --> 00:46:23,670
if you had and be very surprised if you

1078
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were able to find anything no I I don't

1079
00:46:30,950 --> 00:46:28,410
believe I have you know I don't really

1080
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:30,960
know what your work is I know it has to

1081
00:46:35,450 --> 00:46:33,210
do with cattle mutilations in some form

1082
00:46:38,330 --> 00:46:35,460
was one thing I know about but I've

1083
00:46:39,470 --> 00:46:38,340
never looked into that I did for

1084
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:39,480
instance you know I'll give you an

1085
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:42,330
example that you may well know from from

1086
00:46:48,710 --> 00:46:44,370
the boards was when we were talking

1087
00:46:50,270 --> 00:46:48,720
about crystal skulls right and there was

1088
00:46:53,230 --> 00:46:50,280
a certain skull being talked about I

1089
00:46:56,860 --> 00:46:53,240
think maybe you had talked about it and

1090
00:46:59,210 --> 00:46:56,870
and I'm of the belief and I think most

1091
00:47:02,170 --> 00:46:59,220
most archaeologists are of the belief

1092
00:47:04,700 --> 00:47:02,180
that all these crystal skulls are modern

1093
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:04,710
you know modern artifacts they're not

1094
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:06,570
all crystal skulls thousands have been

1095
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:10,410
found most of them small all of all the

1096
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:11,970
ones that you hear about you know the

1097
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:13,650
ones that have names that people invite

1098
00:47:18,410 --> 00:47:16,050
you over to sit with and gags

1099
00:47:20,630 --> 00:47:18,420
mitchell-hedges the British skull the

1100
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:20,640
Smithsonian's gold this new one the iron

1101
00:47:24,710 --> 00:47:22,290
stein which is quite fascinating that's

1102
00:47:26,810 --> 00:47:24,720
here it's about 35 pounds I think it's a

1103
00:47:28,670 --> 00:47:26,820
really large and very very rough looking

1104
00:47:31,940 --> 00:47:28,680
yeah what I was going to say was just

1105
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:31,950
that that we were talking about this one

1106
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:33,330
scholar didn't remember the name of it

1107
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:35,850
but I had mentioned that I thought this

1108
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:37,650
was probably a modern one as I recall

1109
00:47:41,540 --> 00:47:39,930
and you posted something that you'd

1110
00:47:43,010 --> 00:47:41,550
copied from somewhere else right I'm not

1111
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:43,020
blaming you for them but I'm saying

1112
00:47:48,170 --> 00:47:45,450
that's where it came from that said no

1113
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:48,180
no this one had been tested by unlike

1114
00:47:52,220 --> 00:47:49,410
some of these other skulls that have

1115
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:52,230
been found to be of modern origin this

1116
00:47:57,349 --> 00:47:55,650
one had been tested and and was at the

1117
00:48:01,009 --> 00:47:57,359
same time at the British Museum

1118
00:48:03,859 --> 00:48:01,019
and it is definitely authentic this was

1119
00:48:07,670 --> 00:48:03,869
the text that you had pasted so I you

1120
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:07,680
know I called and and talked to the lady

1121
00:48:11,900 --> 00:48:09,690
that was actually there when they were

1122
00:48:13,099 --> 00:48:11,910
doing the testing and she told me in no

1123
00:48:15,349 --> 00:48:13,109
uncertain terms I think you remember

1124
00:48:17,359 --> 00:48:15,359
this that oh yeah no this definitely

1125
00:48:19,699 --> 00:48:17,369
rings a bell and as it turns out I did

1126
00:48:22,069 --> 00:48:19,709
some digging on my own and I confirmed

1127
00:48:24,079 --> 00:48:22,079
what you came up with in and you know I

1128
00:48:25,069 --> 00:48:24,089
really appreciated that actually because

1129
00:48:26,949 --> 00:48:25,079
it set me straight

1130
00:48:29,180 --> 00:48:26,959
anytime someone could set me straight I

1131
00:48:31,849 --> 00:48:29,190
appreciate that and you know that that

1132
00:48:34,489 --> 00:48:31,859
little bit of text is on site after site

1133
00:48:37,190 --> 00:48:34,499
that same exact text that same exact

1134
00:48:39,829 --> 00:48:37,200
wrong text gets repeated at believers

1135
00:48:42,199 --> 00:48:39,839
I'd have to believe our site such that

1136
00:48:43,910 --> 00:48:42,209
you know the whole thing is sort of self

1137
00:48:46,219 --> 00:48:43,920
perpetuating it doesn't matter if

1138
00:48:48,109 --> 00:48:46,229
anything's real or not real is just I

1139
00:48:49,279 --> 00:48:48,119
think people and and I got a sense of

1140
00:48:51,380 --> 00:48:49,289
this from some of the questions that

1141
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:51,390
were asked it's like on the on the

1142
00:48:55,759 --> 00:48:53,249
forums the ones that were more being

1143
00:48:58,130 --> 00:48:55,769
there's that pose towards me it's like

1144
00:49:00,920 --> 00:48:58,140
people want their entertainment they

1145
00:49:02,930 --> 00:49:00,930
don't want anyone to take away what they

1146
00:49:04,999 --> 00:49:02,940
find entertaining yeah and I understand

1147
00:49:06,890 --> 00:49:05,009
that you know but but if you want to

1148
00:49:09,410 --> 00:49:06,900
talk about these things as being real or

1149
00:49:11,839 --> 00:49:09,420
not real or or factual or not factual

1150
00:49:14,180 --> 00:49:11,849
then I'm game for that let me ask you a

1151
00:49:15,739 --> 00:49:14,190
fast question here the assumption or the

1152
00:49:17,660 --> 00:49:15,749
report that there had been a

1153
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:17,670
determination that this was something

1154
00:49:21,109 --> 00:49:19,410
really old carbon dating whatever

1155
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:21,119
whatever technique they you write did

1156
00:49:24,799 --> 00:49:22,890
someone just make that up or was someone

1157
00:49:27,229 --> 00:49:24,809
just simply mistaken well the lady I

1158
00:49:29,180 --> 00:49:27,239
don't even remember a name now but the

1159
00:49:31,999 --> 00:49:29,190
lady that I spoke with was a you know

1160
00:49:34,189 --> 00:49:32,009
she's a archaeologist a famous doctor

1161
00:49:36,650 --> 00:49:34,199
here in the States but she op happened

1162
00:49:38,420 --> 00:49:36,660
to be there at the British Museum when

1163
00:49:40,910 --> 00:49:38,430
they were doing these examinations and

1164
00:49:43,189 --> 00:49:40,920
she just she guessed that someone had

1165
00:49:45,620 --> 00:49:43,199
just made it up yeah they just totally

1166
00:49:48,229 --> 00:49:45,630
it came from Chris Chris may know more

1167
00:49:51,079 --> 00:49:48,239
about this than I do but the the the

1168
00:49:54,410 --> 00:49:51,089
idea that that particular skull it was

1169
00:49:56,959 --> 00:49:54,420
was somehow ancient is just totally

1170
00:49:59,089 --> 00:49:56,969
false yeah and and I totally agree I've

1171
00:50:01,219 --> 00:49:59,099
done quite a bit of work researching

1172
00:50:04,130 --> 00:50:01,229
this whole crystal skull phenomenon and

1173
00:50:05,779 --> 00:50:04,140
listeners you you you know you must

1174
00:50:08,809 --> 00:50:05,789
understand there are countless examples

1175
00:50:10,930 --> 00:50:08,819
of archaeologists actually legitimately

1176
00:50:13,299 --> 00:50:10,940
finding crystal skulls but none of

1177
00:50:15,130 --> 00:50:13,309
have been these large three-quarter

1178
00:50:17,079 --> 00:50:15,140
life-sized version so there has been

1179
00:50:19,839 --> 00:50:17,089
hundreds probably of crystal skulls

1180
00:50:22,269 --> 00:50:19,849
discovered the size of the fist even

1181
00:50:26,740 --> 00:50:22,279
these are very very difficult objects

1182
00:50:28,660 --> 00:50:26,750
obviously to create and chances are the

1183
00:50:31,509 --> 00:50:28,670
larger the skull are the more

1184
00:50:33,940 --> 00:50:31,519
symmetrical it is chances are that it

1185
00:50:35,470 --> 00:50:33,950
was it was manufactured somehow the

1186
00:50:37,390 --> 00:50:35,480
mitchell-hedges skull course will be the

1187
00:50:39,819 --> 00:50:37,400
most famous example with the movable jaw

1188
00:50:42,940 --> 00:50:39,829
that was probably I think made in the

1189
00:50:44,319 --> 00:50:42,950
eighteen lady mid to late 1850s in a in

1190
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:44,329
a particular town in Germany that was

1191
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:46,130
known for their ability to carve quartz

1192
00:50:50,650 --> 00:50:48,650
but you know again this this gets into

1193
00:50:52,539 --> 00:50:50,660
this whole realm and I think we really

1194
00:50:55,599 --> 00:50:52,549
should talk about this jane-anne land so

1195
00:50:58,779 --> 00:50:55,609
you know this whole need for people to

1196
00:51:00,430 --> 00:50:58,789
believe I mean when you're a kid for

1197
00:51:03,759 --> 00:51:00,440
instance did you believe in Santa Claus

1198
00:51:06,579 --> 00:51:03,769
yes did you believe in the Easter Bunny

1199
00:51:09,190 --> 00:51:06,589
uh I don't know I don't remember but

1200
00:51:13,809 --> 00:51:09,200
that's a little tougher huh I remember

1201
00:51:15,759 --> 00:51:13,819
the guy I'm not know okay so or do you

1202
00:51:18,099 --> 00:51:15,769
consider yourself an atheist or agnostic

1203
00:51:19,599 --> 00:51:18,109
are you spiritual what I don't mean to

1204
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:19,609
pry here I'm just trying to get a sense

1205
00:51:22,779 --> 00:51:21,410
of lance moody and we're gonna have him

1206
00:51:24,519 --> 00:51:22,789
answer that question our next segment

1207
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:24,529
will leave the great cliffhanger of his

1208
00:51:30,240 --> 00:51:26,450
religious beliefs or lack thereof with

1209
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Jean and Kris you're in the para cast

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1236
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1239
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calm welcome back to the para cast the

1271
00:54:11,650 --> 00:54:03,890
gold standard of paranormal radio and

1272
00:54:14,050 --> 00:54:11,660
now here's Jane Steinberg Jean and Chris

1273
00:54:16,720 --> 00:54:14,060
on the power cast Lance moody skeptic

1274
00:54:19,210 --> 00:54:16,730
joins us he's a very active poster at

1275
00:54:21,820 --> 00:54:19,220
forum dr. Perik asked on blogs a lot and

1276
00:54:25,060 --> 00:54:21,830
Chris asked him the great our question

1277
00:54:26,980 --> 00:54:25,070
about religion and welcoming believe

1278
00:54:29,860 --> 00:54:26,990
this is really important because I think

1279
00:54:32,110 --> 00:54:29,870
we're seeing the the slow kind of

1280
00:54:34,630 --> 00:54:32,120
evolution and founding of a new

1281
00:54:36,850 --> 00:54:34,640
religious belief system it was based

1282
00:54:39,130 --> 00:54:36,860
around aliens and UFOs which I find

1283
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:39,140
rather distasteful myself but I was just

1284
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:41,330
trying to get a sense of of where you

1285
00:54:45,340 --> 00:54:43,850
draw the line in terms of suspending

1286
00:54:47,770 --> 00:54:45,350
disbelief obviously when you're watching

1287
00:54:49,330 --> 00:54:47,780
men in black your your emotional body is

1288
00:54:51,730 --> 00:54:49,340
buying into the plot but your irrational

1289
00:54:53,230 --> 00:54:51,740
mind is going hey this is a movie some

1290
00:54:55,270 --> 00:54:53,240
people have a harder time doing that

1291
00:54:57,670 --> 00:54:55,280
Lance and when it comes to things that

1292
00:54:59,800 --> 00:54:57,680
we have meaning in people's lives such

1293
00:55:01,630 --> 00:54:59,810
as religious belief belief in their in

1294
00:55:03,610 --> 00:55:01,640
their you know the control structure the

1295
00:55:05,980 --> 00:55:03,620
politics and the politicians that are

1296
00:55:07,690 --> 00:55:05,990
governing their lives the judicial

1297
00:55:09,550 --> 00:55:07,700
system there are certain things that you

1298
00:55:11,130 --> 00:55:09,560
call most your culture forces you to

1299
00:55:14,370 --> 00:55:11,140
believe and would be with the

1300
00:55:16,930 --> 00:55:14,380
disillusion and you know these these old

1301
00:55:19,750 --> 00:55:16,940
outmoded controlled religious structures

1302
00:55:22,180 --> 00:55:19,760
seem to be crumbling around us with you

1303
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:22,190
know these Wars and you know it's just

1304
00:55:26,140 --> 00:55:23,810
getting ridiculous people are striving

1305
00:55:27,730 --> 00:55:26,150
for something to hold on to and believe

1306
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:27,740
in what are your feelings about that

1307
00:55:32,140 --> 00:55:30,050
what do you think we're seeing the kind

1308
00:55:34,720 --> 00:55:32,150
of the slow development of a new sort of

1309
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:34,730
religious belief you know I don't think

1310
00:55:40,390 --> 00:55:37,970
it's new I mean by a religion is the

1311
00:55:42,340 --> 00:55:40,400
hard word to throw in there but yeah I

1312
00:55:45,430 --> 00:55:42,350
don't think it's new I think I think

1313
00:55:47,620 --> 00:55:45,440
always these kinds of thoughts the ideas

1314
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:47,630
of for instance conspiracies which I

1315
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:50,330
think really are sort of a twin brother

1316
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:52,370
to the paranormal belief conspiracy

1317
00:55:56,530 --> 00:55:54,530
beliefs I think these beliefs give

1318
00:55:58,690 --> 00:55:56,540
people something I mean I think with

1319
00:56:01,040 --> 00:55:58,700
conspiracies I think it gives people a

1320
00:56:04,150 --> 00:56:01,050
feeling that they understand the

1321
00:56:06,410 --> 00:56:04,160
maybe better than then it really do and

1322
00:56:08,420 --> 00:56:06,420
maybe the same things happening with

1323
00:56:10,460 --> 00:56:08,430
with a paranormal belief maybe it

1324
00:56:12,859 --> 00:56:10,470
comforts people to know that that

1325
00:56:15,740 --> 00:56:12,869
there's something fantastic in their

1326
00:56:17,690 --> 00:56:15,750
lives yeah you know I think personally I

1327
00:56:19,730 --> 00:56:17,700
think you know that looking out of the

1328
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:19,740
stars it's a pretty fantastic thing but

1329
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:21,930
a lot for a lot of people is not not

1330
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:25,170
quite enough well and I I can I can

1331
00:56:29,450 --> 00:56:27,290
understand and agree with you

1332
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:29,460
sometimes the especially in the

1333
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:32,010
conspiracy realm it gets it gets pretty

1334
00:56:34,670 --> 00:56:32,490
crazy

1335
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:34,680
of course the UFO realm and the

1336
00:56:39,950 --> 00:56:37,410
paranormal realm is fairly kaleidoscopic

1337
00:56:42,079 --> 00:56:39,960
in its own right but but how about you I

1338
00:56:45,460 --> 00:56:42,089
mean where do you come down where do you

1339
00:56:49,430 --> 00:56:45,470
suspend your disbelief in terms of your

1340
00:56:51,589 --> 00:56:49,440
spirituality in terms of the things in

1341
00:56:53,420 --> 00:56:51,599
your life that you hold dearly that that

1342
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:53,430
you don't have physical scientific proof

1343
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to to ascertain one way or another

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00:57:00,140 --> 00:56:57,510
whether it's something that you need to

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00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:00,150
suspend your disbelief about you know I

1346
00:57:06,500 --> 00:57:02,970
don't think I do suspend my disbelief I

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00:57:08,870 --> 00:57:06,510
I think I I think I do require proof so

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00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:08,880
so things like for instance the Bible

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00:57:14,390 --> 00:57:10,410
and so forth don't hold any weight for

1350
00:57:17,420 --> 00:57:14,400
me in any particular weight for me so

1351
00:57:19,460 --> 00:57:17,430
yeah I guess I guess I guess I do act as

1352
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:19,470
more or less like an atheist but though

1353
00:57:25,010 --> 00:57:22,050
really I'm more like Martin Gardner was

1354
00:57:26,450 --> 00:57:25,020
sort of a you know a vain desire that

1355
00:57:29,180 --> 00:57:26,460
maybe there's something beyond but I

1356
00:57:30,770 --> 00:57:29,190
don't see any evidence for it I'd like

1357
00:57:33,319 --> 00:57:30,780
to see any evidence I'm open to seeing

1358
00:57:36,020 --> 00:57:33,329
evidence that that's one of the things

1359
00:57:38,059 --> 00:57:36,030
that that you know people who I call

1360
00:57:41,540 --> 00:57:38,069
believers and I know that that term

1361
00:57:45,050 --> 00:57:41,550
sometimes makes people uncomfortable but

1362
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:45,060
I think I think good and there's

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00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:46,290
believers and then those true believers

1364
00:57:50,809 --> 00:57:49,290
and there's a difference yeah you know I

1365
00:57:53,630 --> 00:57:50,819
mean these things are just shorthand

1366
00:57:55,460 --> 00:57:53,640
ways of talking it just so long to say

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00:57:57,800 --> 00:57:55,470
people who think this way or whatever

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00:58:00,980 --> 00:57:57,810
but what I was going to say is that just

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00:58:02,540 --> 00:58:00,990
that they believe that there's there's

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00:58:04,069 --> 00:58:02,550
somebody called a debunker there's

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00:58:06,079 --> 00:58:04,079
someone who is something called what

1372
00:58:08,900 --> 00:58:06,089
they call it a bunker I'd be happy to be

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00:58:10,970 --> 00:58:08,910
a de bunker you know I'd be hey bunk

1374
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errs are needed but in the form that

1375
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:13,170
it's used by the people that I'm calling

1376
00:58:16,230 --> 00:58:14,410
believers

1377
00:58:19,950 --> 00:58:16,240
they're talking about someone who if

1378
00:58:22,770 --> 00:58:19,960
they saw real evidence for instance if I

1379
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:22,780
walked out in my backyard right now and

1380
00:58:27,390 --> 00:58:24,970
there was a flying saucer landed on the

1381
00:58:30,390 --> 00:58:27,400
ground in my backyard I would turn away

1382
00:58:32,460 --> 00:58:30,400
and deny that I ever saw it and I just

1383
00:58:34,620 --> 00:58:32,470
don't think there really is a person

1384
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:34,630
like that and you know I hear that

1385
00:58:37,650 --> 00:58:36,490
frequently people would describe fill

1386
00:58:40,140 --> 00:58:37,660
class in that way

1387
00:58:41,460 --> 00:58:40,150
I knew fill class and and and I'm

1388
00:58:43,710 --> 00:58:41,470
telling you that it's not accurate

1389
00:58:46,170 --> 00:58:43,720
that's not the way I don't think that

1390
00:58:48,990 --> 00:58:46,180
there really is a person who's debunker

1391
00:58:51,270 --> 00:58:49,000
as as to find on these forums and things

1392
00:58:53,250 --> 00:58:51,280
well okay well that leads me to a

1393
00:58:56,610 --> 00:58:53,260
question that I had how do you define

1394
00:58:59,040 --> 00:58:56,620
where does a skeptic and and a debunking

1395
00:59:01,590 --> 00:58:59,050
begin so it's a debunker is somebody

1396
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:01,600
that will go into a complete place of

1397
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:04,570
denial about something that is obvious

1398
00:59:09,660 --> 00:59:08,050
and in a slam-dunk situation or evidence

1399
00:59:11,580 --> 00:59:09,670
in other words that is that how you

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00:59:14,610 --> 00:59:11,590
define the difference because it's not

1401
00:59:18,030 --> 00:59:14,620
how I define it no no I'm not okay about

1402
00:59:21,090 --> 00:59:18,040
that you you claim you proudly claim to

1403
00:59:22,830 --> 00:59:21,100
be a skeptical person okay what is the

1404
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:22,840
difference between skepticism and

1405
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:25,210
debunking well the way I would define

1406
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:27,970
debunking and not everyone agrees with

1407
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:30,930
this definition is someone who exposes

1408
00:59:38,310 --> 00:59:35,250
you exposes some falsehood for instance

1409
00:59:42,150 --> 00:59:38,320
debunking debunking a particular claim

1410
00:59:44,130 --> 00:59:42,160
Phil Phil and Brock no I wasn't gonna

1411
00:59:46,230 --> 00:59:44,140
mention him but that that might be an

1412
00:59:48,150 --> 00:59:46,240
example that's one example maybe we

1413
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:48,160
should talk about very quickly how did

1414
00:59:52,980 --> 00:59:49,690
you come to want to check his

1415
00:59:56,940 --> 00:59:52,990
educational credentials well you know I

1416
00:59:59,040 --> 00:59:56,950
I heard him on I heard him on on several

1417
01:00:01,830 --> 00:59:59,050
of the of the shows particularly the

1418
01:00:06,270 --> 01:00:01,840
pear cast and I heard him talking it and

1419
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:06,280
you know to me his grammar was poor and

1420
01:00:10,170 --> 01:00:08,170
I'm not saying my grammar is great I'm

1421
01:00:11,940 --> 01:00:10,180
sure people are gonna find fault with

1422
01:00:16,370 --> 01:00:11,950
things I've said tonight you don't claim

1423
01:00:18,630 --> 01:00:16,380
to have a doctor from MIT either right

1424
01:00:20,580 --> 01:00:18,640
some are on a website that the first

1425
01:00:22,170 --> 01:00:20,590
thing that alerted you was it seems like

1426
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:22,180
every time you saw a pitch um he had his

1427
01:00:25,740 --> 01:00:24,010
MIT sweatshirt on

1428
01:00:28,050 --> 01:00:25,750
well that was the other thing that shirt

1429
01:00:29,460 --> 01:00:28,060
started showing up everywhere well maybe

1430
01:00:31,410 --> 01:00:29,470
it's because you can't get it off it's

1431
01:00:33,810 --> 01:00:31,420
stuck to his skin well they're just

1432
01:00:35,370 --> 01:00:33,820
there were just too many mentions of MIT

1433
01:00:38,730 --> 01:00:35,380
for my taste

1434
01:00:41,810 --> 01:00:38,740
hey he had he had fake diplomas he had a

1435
01:00:46,140 --> 01:00:41,820
ring he had a little shrine set up

1436
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:46,150
that's pretty that's not the sign of a

1437
01:00:49,980 --> 01:00:48,490
healthy mind in my book well you know in

1438
01:00:51,390 --> 01:00:49,990
some ways I think he's kind of awesome

1439
01:00:54,180 --> 01:00:51,400
because he got away with it for so long

1440
01:00:56,100 --> 01:00:54,190
but but the the thing is is just that

1441
01:00:59,100 --> 01:00:56,110
and I never heard about the diplomas and

1442
01:01:03,090 --> 01:00:59,110
all that I just I'm an informed source

1443
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:03,100
we who shall remain nameless Wow well

1444
01:01:07,110 --> 01:01:05,410
well you know for me it was just I just

1445
01:01:09,270 --> 01:01:07,120
became interested in it but I also

1446
01:01:12,540 --> 01:01:09,280
noticed that things he was saying in

1447
01:01:15,450 --> 01:01:12,550
these programs they just didn't have the

1448
01:01:18,290 --> 01:01:15,460
ring of truth to for me anyway and in

1449
01:01:21,500 --> 01:01:18,300
particular there's there's this one I

1450
01:01:25,170 --> 01:01:21,510
mentioned this in my blog is just this

1451
01:01:26,700 --> 01:01:25,180
this idea he started talking about Hynek

1452
01:01:28,590 --> 01:01:26,710
because he knew Hynek and he wrote a

1453
01:01:31,620 --> 01:01:28,600
book with Hynek and he started talking

1454
01:01:33,510 --> 01:01:31,630
about Hynek in roswell and he claimed he

1455
01:01:35,490 --> 01:01:33,520
told this story this long story that

1456
01:01:37,170 --> 01:01:35,500
involved a lot of detail a lot of a lot

1457
01:01:39,540 --> 01:01:37,180
of interesting detail you know he talked

1458
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:39,550
about they had ice cream and the kind of

1459
01:01:43,020 --> 01:01:41,530
ice cream that Hynek liked and all this

1460
01:01:45,330 --> 01:01:43,030
stuff all these details that don't mean

1461
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:45,340
anything and then he said that Hynek

1462
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:47,050
looked at him and said that raah he knew

1463
01:01:53,580 --> 01:01:49,450
Roswell was fake he knew it was that

1464
01:01:56,160 --> 01:01:53,590
mogul balloon and I realized that night

1465
01:01:58,680 --> 01:01:56,170
before any of that yeah before any of

1466
01:02:01,380 --> 01:01:58,690
that was known and I knew it instantly

1467
01:02:02,580 --> 01:02:01,390
but the person interviewing him it

1468
01:02:05,730 --> 01:02:02,590
wasn't on the para cast it was on

1469
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:05,740
another show the person interviewing him

1470
01:02:10,620 --> 01:02:08,410
didn't recognize that at all just just

1471
01:02:13,530 --> 01:02:10,630
let it slide by but it was such an

1472
01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:13,540
obvious tell that something wasn't right

1473
01:02:19,590 --> 01:02:17,170
about his story and I find it

1474
01:02:22,470 --> 01:02:19,600
fascinating that someone can just sort

1475
01:02:25,470 --> 01:02:22,480
of you know confabulate things so

1476
01:02:27,180 --> 01:02:25,480
quickly and so beautifully because it

1477
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:27,190
was fun to listen to some of his stories

1478
01:02:31,860 --> 01:02:30,010
sometimes somebody brought up I think

1479
01:02:34,020 --> 01:02:31,870
I'm one of the threads that did that I

1480
01:02:35,790 --> 01:02:34,030
read at some point back then then and

1481
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:35,800
and it brings up a really really

1482
01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:37,690
interesting point now

1483
01:02:42,900 --> 01:02:40,090
cuz we found out that Kevin Randall may

1484
01:02:46,410 --> 01:02:42,910
have you know kind of taken liberties

1485
01:02:47,790 --> 01:02:46,420
and stretched a particular reference do

1486
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:47,800
we throw the baby out with the bathwater

1487
01:02:50,970 --> 01:02:49,330
I mean does that call the rest that was

1488
01:02:53,070 --> 01:02:50,980
working a question how about in Prague

1489
01:02:54,870 --> 01:02:53,080
no I think some of the things that I've

1490
01:02:56,940 --> 01:02:54,880
read in in broad nose books are very

1491
01:02:59,180 --> 01:02:56,950
impressive and and it shows someone

1492
01:03:01,200 --> 01:02:59,190
who's really done some thinking about

1493
01:03:02,550 --> 01:03:01,210
some of the subjects that he wrote about

1494
01:03:04,470 --> 01:03:02,560
other things

1495
01:03:06,210 --> 01:03:04,480
I agree with you just you kind of

1496
01:03:08,490 --> 01:03:06,220
scratch your head and go this sounds

1497
01:03:10,500 --> 01:03:08,500
like he's writing kind of down to the

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01:03:12,330 --> 01:03:10,510
lowest common denominator a reader here

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01:03:14,910 --> 01:03:12,340
I kind of gave him that benefit of the

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01:03:18,620 --> 01:03:14,920
doubt over the course of several books

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01:03:21,990 --> 01:03:18,630
but but but where do you draw the line

1502
01:03:23,790 --> 01:03:22,000
should Kevin Randall now be be thought

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01:03:27,300 --> 01:03:23,800
of is someone every single reference

1504
01:03:29,910 --> 01:03:27,310
that that he puts up there states in a

1505
01:03:32,190 --> 01:03:29,920
book or mentions on a show should we be

1506
01:03:35,070 --> 01:03:32,200
checking up on this guy should we all be

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01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:35,080
psych ops and and just kind of have

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01:03:38,790 --> 01:03:37,210
everybody under under microscopes I mean

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01:03:40,530 --> 01:03:38,800
what are your feelings about that we'll

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get the answer from Lance coming up with

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question about Kevin Randle some of his

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01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:22,700
possible mistakes oh let me just mention

1607
01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:24,770
that that that mistake that Kevin Randle

1608
01:08:29,110 --> 01:08:26,690
made was an extremely minor one it's not

1609
01:08:31,390 --> 01:08:29,120
it's not important at all and if Kevin

1610
01:08:33,490 --> 01:08:31,400
Randle told me something he's one of the

1611
01:08:35,440 --> 01:08:33,500
best of the researchers he definitely

1612
01:08:37,599 --> 01:08:35,450
knows the most about Roswell I would

1613
01:08:39,519 --> 01:08:37,609
trust just about anything he said to me

1614
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:39,529
but you don't believe Roswell was a

1615
01:08:44,559 --> 01:08:42,890
spaceship no no no no but I think it was

1616
01:08:46,500 --> 01:08:44,569
something homespun some sort of

1617
01:08:49,210 --> 01:08:46,510
potential high technology that was being

1618
01:08:51,370 --> 01:08:49,220
utilized by humans myself I know you'll

1619
01:08:52,599 --> 01:08:51,380
probably disagree with that but I not

1620
01:08:54,700 --> 01:08:52,609
for a minute do I think it was from

1621
01:08:56,530 --> 01:08:54,710
elsewhere well let me just tell a little

1622
01:08:58,150 --> 01:08:56,540
story if I may then about yeah I think

1623
01:08:59,920 --> 01:08:58,160
it was probably mogul that mogul is a

1624
01:09:02,829 --> 01:08:59,930
good explanation that it's a reasonable

1625
01:09:05,320 --> 01:09:02,839
explanation and the things that the that

1626
01:09:07,720 --> 01:09:05,330
people like Kevin and the other Roswell

1627
01:09:10,420 --> 01:09:07,730
proponents come up with I think there's

1628
01:09:12,250 --> 01:09:10,430
their minor things their conspiracy type

1629
01:09:15,220 --> 01:09:12,260
things that they talk about that don't

1630
01:09:17,349 --> 01:09:15,230
really negate mogul they talk about

1631
01:09:19,630 --> 01:09:17,359
little details that I don't think negate

1632
01:09:21,849 --> 01:09:19,640
the story but I was gonna mention to you

1633
01:09:24,309 --> 01:09:21,859
that the photographs that we have from

1634
01:09:27,099 --> 01:09:24,319
Fort Worth that were taken there's some

1635
01:09:29,110 --> 01:09:27,109
debris there in the photographs and the

1636
01:09:32,229 --> 01:09:29,120
debris is clearly not anything

1637
01:09:34,660 --> 01:09:32,239
extraordinary it's not a flying saucer

1638
01:09:37,180 --> 01:09:34,670
Jesse Marcel who was the guy that went

1639
01:09:39,939 --> 01:09:37,190
out from the airbase or from the army

1640
01:09:43,239 --> 01:09:39,949
base to pick up all the debris he went

1641
01:09:44,829 --> 01:09:43,249
out to Brazos ranch he said in several

1642
01:09:47,169 --> 01:09:44,839
interviews in at least two interviews

1643
01:09:48,970 --> 01:09:47,179
maybe three interviews he said that the

1644
01:09:51,459 --> 01:09:48,980
stuff that I'm in the picture was with

1645
01:09:54,339 --> 01:09:51,469
stuff you see me in the pictures with is

1646
01:09:56,890 --> 01:09:54,349
the same stuff I picked up that to me is

1647
01:09:59,620 --> 01:09:56,900
enough to negate Roswell right away

1648
01:10:02,080 --> 01:09:59,630
that's enough to destroy Roswell

1649
01:10:04,299 --> 01:10:02,090
now Kevin and the other guys they just

1650
01:10:06,759 --> 01:10:04,309
choose to say well he was mistaken he

1651
01:10:08,680 --> 01:10:06,769
saw he had misunderstood what the

1652
01:10:12,549 --> 01:10:08,690
question was or something like that but

1653
01:10:14,350 --> 01:10:12,559
to me that's a dad kill for Roswell and

1654
01:10:15,549 --> 01:10:14,360
so so I don't think it really has to go

1655
01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:15,559
much further than that

1656
01:10:19,419 --> 01:10:17,210
it was not clear the way I explained

1657
01:10:21,910 --> 01:10:19,429
that because I'm I'm not sure what was

1658
01:10:24,399 --> 01:10:21,920
clear to me it doesn't explain the fact

1659
01:10:26,470 --> 01:10:24,409
that Mac Brazel also said he knew was

1660
01:10:28,839 --> 01:10:26,480
well aware of weather balloons that had

1661
01:10:30,549 --> 01:10:28,849
been sent up and landed in the hidden

1662
01:10:32,589 --> 01:10:30,559
region there he had seen some of them

1663
01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:32,599
it's all going off the top of my head

1664
01:10:38,439 --> 01:10:35,690
I'm Roswell makes me break out in it is

1665
01:10:40,180 --> 01:10:38,449
that I can't they hates them to try to

1666
01:10:45,419 --> 01:10:40,190
scratch them I basically again the

1667
01:10:48,100 --> 01:10:45,429
Crawleys when you talk about Roswell the

1668
01:10:49,899 --> 01:10:48,110
International Museum down there I broke

1669
01:10:53,049 --> 01:10:49,909
out in a case of hives when I saw the

1670
01:10:55,029 --> 01:10:53,059
the alien mannequin dressed up in cowboy

1671
01:10:58,359 --> 01:10:55,039
clothes at a clothing store it just uh

1672
01:11:00,910 --> 01:10:58,369
it just hit you over me nuts but there

1673
01:11:03,970 --> 01:11:00,920
are some interesting little tidbits in

1674
01:11:06,729 --> 01:11:03,980
there the memory metal concept I think

1675
01:11:08,500 --> 01:11:06,739
is interesting but again I think this

1676
01:11:11,229 --> 01:11:08,510
whole thing has been blown into this

1677
01:11:13,569 --> 01:11:11,239
huge red herring it keeps the the

1678
01:11:16,239 --> 01:11:13,579
believers focused on ancient history

1679
01:11:19,330 --> 01:11:16,249
water under the bridge that in many ways

1680
01:11:21,189 --> 01:11:19,340
will never ever we'll never have a real

1681
01:11:23,229 --> 01:11:21,199
definitive answer that everybody can

1682
01:11:25,180 --> 01:11:23,239
agree on but but again I think it's a

1683
01:11:27,220 --> 01:11:25,190
red herring I think there's a lot more

1684
01:11:29,589 --> 01:11:27,230
important things like like the Sherman

1685
01:11:31,839 --> 01:11:29,599
ranch case and and in other cases that

1686
01:11:35,379 --> 01:11:31,849
deserve the kind of scrutiny and

1687
01:11:37,359 --> 01:11:35,389
attention that Roswell has managed to I

1688
01:11:38,620 --> 01:11:37,369
mean it's the biggest industry in that

1689
01:11:41,290 --> 01:11:38,630
whole part of the country down there

1690
01:11:43,239 --> 01:11:41,300
they often noticed the closer you get to

1691
01:11:44,799 --> 01:11:43,249
Roswell the more alien tchotchkes you

1692
01:11:46,319 --> 01:11:44,809
see and by the time you get into Roswell

1693
01:11:48,450 --> 01:11:46,329
it's like you're in

1694
01:11:50,430 --> 01:11:48,460
some weird Twilight Zone episode it

1695
01:11:52,140 --> 01:11:50,440
there's something wrong about that well

1696
01:11:54,120 --> 01:11:52,150
I don't know why it seems fun to talk

1697
01:11:55,740 --> 01:11:54,130
about so so I spend a lot of time

1698
01:11:57,870 --> 01:11:55,750
talking about it with Gavin Randall and

1699
01:11:59,280 --> 01:11:57,880
the other guys I do have a story that I

1700
01:12:01,560 --> 01:11:59,290
could tell you but I don't know if we're

1701
01:12:03,569 --> 01:12:01,570
up against a Break or not now you've got

1702
01:12:05,189 --> 01:12:03,579
a few minutes you know that debris

1703
01:12:07,919 --> 01:12:05,199
that's in the picture we believe that

1704
01:12:09,899 --> 01:12:07,929
it's a neoprene balloon and maybe the

1705
01:12:11,819 --> 01:12:09,909
reason Brazel didn't recognize the

1706
01:12:14,310 --> 01:12:11,829
debris is because it also had that radar

1707
01:12:17,640 --> 01:12:14,320
target attached to it at any rate the

1708
01:12:20,450 --> 01:12:17,650
neoprene balloon is to my eye anyway

1709
01:12:22,859 --> 01:12:20,460
it's very degraded into photographs

1710
01:12:25,500 --> 01:12:22,869
which means it would be hard to come up

1711
01:12:28,140 --> 01:12:25,510
with it or harder to come up with this

1712
01:12:31,080 --> 01:12:28,150
degraded balloon to take fake pictures

1713
01:12:32,970 --> 01:12:31,090
off so anyway Tim Printy is the great

1714
01:12:34,530 --> 01:12:32,980
skeptic he's a much better skeptic than

1715
01:12:38,250 --> 01:12:34,540
I am does a lot more work than I do

1716
01:12:41,910 --> 01:12:38,260
and his sunlight magazine is an

1717
01:12:44,040 --> 01:12:41,920
excellent skeptical about UFOs Tim

1718
01:12:47,399 --> 01:12:44,050
Printy decided to do a test and see how

1719
01:12:51,299 --> 01:12:47,409
how long it took neoprene to deteriorate

1720
01:12:53,459 --> 01:12:51,309
in the Sun he did it up at his ranch he

1721
01:12:56,330 --> 01:12:53,469
has a ranch he did it at his house in

1722
01:12:59,250 --> 01:12:56,340
Connecticut if I recall correctly his

1723
01:13:02,129 --> 01:12:59,260
results were that after about 16 days

1724
01:13:04,020 --> 01:13:02,139
that the neoprene turned black and and

1725
01:13:05,040 --> 01:13:04,030
got sort of the look that it has in

1726
01:13:06,870 --> 01:13:05,050
those photographs

1727
01:13:09,569 --> 01:13:06,880
it became brittle and so forth after

1728
01:13:13,140 --> 01:13:09,579
about two weeks well Tim did this test

1729
01:13:15,270 --> 01:13:13,150
and and he actually asked me and a guy

1730
01:13:18,330 --> 01:13:15,280
named forget his name a guy in New

1731
01:13:20,910 --> 01:13:18,340
Mexico to do the test I begged him to

1732
01:13:22,649 --> 01:13:20,920
not release his results from New Mexico

1733
01:13:25,169 --> 01:13:22,659
right away but to just give his

1734
01:13:27,899 --> 01:13:25,179
Connecticut results which he did in the

1735
01:13:29,760 --> 01:13:27,909
first issue of the sunlight I knew that

1736
01:13:31,979 --> 01:13:29,770
the believers that the the Roswell

1737
01:13:34,890 --> 01:13:31,989
believers would come up with all kind of

1738
01:13:37,260 --> 01:13:34,900
reasons why the stuff that was tested in

1739
01:13:39,030 --> 01:13:37,270
Connecticut was doesn't match stuff that

1740
01:13:41,010 --> 01:13:39,040
would have been tested in in New Mexico

1741
01:13:43,379 --> 01:13:41,020
and indeed they did one particular guy

1742
01:13:45,629 --> 01:13:43,389
wrote volumes and volumes as to why we

1743
01:13:48,209 --> 01:13:45,639
were idiots and why certainly we should

1744
01:13:49,770 --> 01:13:48,219
have tested in New Mexico because the

1745
01:13:52,319 --> 01:13:49,780
neoprene would have would have

1746
01:13:53,700 --> 01:13:52,329
evaporated essentially he thought it

1747
01:13:55,200 --> 01:13:53,710
would would have been gone you know you

1748
01:13:56,669 --> 01:13:55,210
got the feeling that in just a few hours

1749
01:13:59,189 --> 01:13:56,679
they would have turned to

1750
01:14:01,259 --> 01:13:59,199
Asha's the problem is that we did test

1751
01:14:03,629 --> 01:14:01,269
in New Mexico and the results were

1752
01:14:06,389 --> 01:14:03,639
roughly the same about two weeks but it

1753
01:14:09,569 --> 01:14:06,399
shows you how conspiracist will write

1754
01:14:10,949 --> 01:14:09,579
and we'll make up stuff to support their

1755
01:14:13,199 --> 01:14:10,959
beliefs without any real knowledge heat

1756
01:14:15,209 --> 01:14:13,209
this guy wrote reams of stuff I mean he

1757
01:14:17,580 --> 01:14:15,219
wrote paragraph after after paragraph

1758
01:14:19,859 --> 01:14:17,590
about how the neoprene would have

1759
01:14:22,139 --> 01:14:19,869
deteriorated much faster in New Mexico

1760
01:14:24,389 --> 01:14:22,149
maybe two hundred three hundred percent

1761
01:14:26,520 --> 01:14:24,399
faster but none of it was true it

1762
01:14:29,669 --> 01:14:26,530
sounded good to me that's a good example

1763
01:14:31,830 --> 01:14:29,679
of what skeptics are up against Chris

1764
01:14:34,169 --> 01:14:31,840
I'll let you take it from there Jean

1765
01:14:35,399 --> 01:14:34,179
you're the Roswell guy I'm a Roswell guy

1766
01:14:38,129 --> 01:14:35,409
I've never been to Roswell

1767
01:14:40,049 --> 01:14:38,139
did that story that makes sense it makes

1768
01:14:43,739 --> 01:14:40,059
sense to me not only are you a skeptic

1769
01:14:45,569 --> 01:14:43,749
Lance you're a sneaky skeptic absolutely

1770
01:14:47,459 --> 01:14:45,579
sometimes you have to be a little bit

1771
01:14:49,529 --> 01:14:47,469
summer for me that's a compliment well

1772
01:14:53,399 --> 01:14:49,539
the thing I'm gonna ask you here Lance

1773
01:14:55,549 --> 01:14:53,409
is I agree that the Roswell case

1774
01:14:58,979 --> 01:14:55,559
probably involves some kind of domestic

1775
01:15:01,609 --> 01:14:58,989
test balloon or aircraft or whatever why

1776
01:15:04,379 --> 01:15:01,619
has it become such a legend in the field

1777
01:15:06,689 --> 01:15:04,389
it's a cool story I mean it's just a

1778
01:15:08,879 --> 01:15:06,699
great story it's fun it's fun to think

1779
01:15:12,359 --> 01:15:08,889
about I mean cuz of the headline let's

1780
01:15:14,759 --> 01:15:12,369
get real that headline it's really hard

1781
01:15:17,759 --> 01:15:14,769
to argue with with the impact that that

1782
01:15:19,679 --> 01:15:17,769
has on the collective psyche yeah I

1783
01:15:21,540 --> 01:15:19,689
agree with you have you guys ever

1784
01:15:23,279 --> 01:15:21,550
thought about there's a there's another

1785
01:15:25,639 --> 01:15:23,289
episode in UFO history that I've always

1786
01:15:28,859 --> 01:15:25,649
wondered why it never became more

1787
01:15:31,080 --> 01:15:28,869
important and that was when when Donald

1788
01:15:34,049 --> 01:15:31,090
Kehoe was silenced on the Armstrong

1789
01:15:37,589 --> 01:15:34,059
Circle theatre program to me that's one

1790
01:15:38,399 --> 01:15:37,599
of the coolest very good point that that

1791
01:15:40,799 --> 01:15:38,409
is strange

1792
01:15:44,520 --> 01:15:40,809
they just cut him off back of course

1793
01:15:47,909 --> 01:15:44,530
back then TV was live and there was no 4

1794
01:15:49,770 --> 01:15:47,919
or 5 second delay and and that is you're

1795
01:15:53,759 --> 01:15:49,780
absolutely right I think that there is

1796
01:15:56,580 --> 01:15:53,769
some smoking gun implications there that

1797
01:15:58,889 --> 01:15:56,590
have not been fully addressed you know I

1798
01:16:02,069 --> 01:15:58,899
want to mention that because when major

1799
01:16:02,819 --> 01:16:02,079
Kehoe was on Long John Neville show

1800
01:16:05,159 --> 01:16:02,829
they're supposed to be in the late

1801
01:16:07,139 --> 01:16:05,169
fifties early sixties I was a teenager

1802
01:16:08,939 --> 01:16:07,149
in Brooklyn New York and those days you

1803
01:16:10,380 --> 01:16:08,949
didn't have telephones necessarily

1804
01:16:12,810 --> 01:16:10,390
communicating with John he

1805
01:16:15,540 --> 01:16:12,820
take telegrams from people right I was

1806
01:16:18,750 --> 01:16:15,550
spending the night at a friend and we

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had my friend's mother agreed to spend I

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don't know 15 20 dollars to send a

1809
01:16:24,030 --> 01:16:21,130
telegram

1810
01:16:25,590 --> 01:16:24,040
so we asked Kehoe about this and I'll

1811
01:16:27,330 --> 01:16:25,600
tell you more about it in a moment with

1812
01:16:30,130 --> 01:16:27,340
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you're listening to the podcast the gold

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standard a paranormal radio so let's go

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up the deal here Kehoe mentioned this in

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one of his book that he was asked to be

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01:21:18,580 --> 01:21:16,430
on the show but supposedly they had this

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01:21:21,070 --> 01:21:18,590
fixed routine that he was supposed to

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read I guess a script or at least an

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01:21:26,110 --> 01:21:22,940
outline of what he was supposed to say

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and as the show progressed he got

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01:21:30,940 --> 01:21:28,100
concerned over the fact that he couldn't

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01:21:32,170 --> 01:21:30,950
reveal the real evidence he felt he

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01:21:34,720 --> 01:21:32,180
should have brought forth it was being

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01:21:37,690 --> 01:21:34,730
censored so finally Kehoe got so

1908
01:21:39,610 --> 01:21:37,700
frustrated or disgusted he started to

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01:21:41,290 --> 01:21:39,620
deviate from the script on the air and

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of course what they do there was no

1911
01:21:45,250 --> 01:21:43,070
seven second delay as we have now you

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know even on this show by the way on the

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power cast when it goes out over the gcn

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01:21:52,540 --> 01:21:49,790
Network there is a seven second delay

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sure we vent our guests and we don't

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01:21:56,620 --> 01:21:54,200
allow the seven dirty words to come in

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01:21:59,500 --> 01:21:56,630
but there is a seven second delay but

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not in the 1950s so the producers and

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01:22:04,570 --> 01:22:02,180
directors seeing the Kiowas deviating

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01:22:07,090 --> 01:22:04,580
from the script what did they do they

1921
01:22:09,400 --> 01:22:07,100
cut him off and the question I asked he

1922
01:22:11,440 --> 01:22:09,410
how in that telegram was knowing they

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01:22:13,390 --> 01:22:11,450
would do that why'd you do it anyway and

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01:22:15,850 --> 01:22:13,400
I was never satisfied with the answer I

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01:22:18,070 --> 01:22:15,860
know he's felt that he had to get the

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01:22:21,160 --> 01:22:18,080
truth across but didn't it occur to you

1927
01:22:22,660 --> 01:22:21,170
that maybe just maybe this wasn't the

1928
01:22:25,060 --> 01:22:22,670
way to do it or maybe he thought this

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was a good thing you know do that get

1930
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the publicity draw attention to himself

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well I mean we know what he said I mean

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I think the text of what he said is

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known it's not it wasn't everything

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earth-shattering right but in his book

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what I was wondering was just why that

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01:22:42,700 --> 01:22:40,730
episode has never but taken on the sort

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01:22:44,650 --> 01:22:42,710
of the public fascination that something

1938
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like Roswell did maybe you're not as

1939
01:22:49,210 --> 01:22:46,430
important as Roswell but it to me it was

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01:22:51,670 --> 01:22:49,220
a cool spooky if I'd been watching him

1941
01:22:53,740 --> 01:22:51,680
time I would have I think it would have

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01:22:55,600 --> 01:22:53,750
carried some emotional weight you know I

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01:22:57,940 --> 01:22:55,610
remembered reading in the book and

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01:22:59,320 --> 01:22:57,950
asking hee ho about it I thought it was

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just one of those things I thought the

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01:23:03,250 --> 01:23:01,760
ki ho you know could have done it better

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or if he was going to deviate from the

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screen

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01:23:09,220 --> 01:23:06,290
been doing so in a more subtle fashion

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01:23:10,600 --> 01:23:09,230
but by being outrageous about it maybe

1951
01:23:13,359 --> 01:23:10,610
he hoped he'd draw attention to

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01:23:15,490 --> 01:23:13,369
something and it didn't work as you say

1953
01:23:18,070 --> 01:23:15,500
you're the first person who's been on

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01:23:20,439 --> 01:23:18,080
the power cast to mention this episode

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01:23:22,839 --> 01:23:20,449
you're the first person who's mentioned

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01:23:25,149 --> 01:23:22,849
it to me in the past 30 or 40 years yeah

1957
01:23:27,070 --> 01:23:25,159
well you know I I got super fascinated

1958
01:23:28,290 --> 01:23:27,080
with all those early cases and that's

1959
01:23:30,720 --> 01:23:28,300
really what I know the most about

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01:23:34,570 --> 01:23:30,730
particularly the stuff that was around

1961
01:23:36,760 --> 01:23:34,580
around the ODA scar stuff and so I'm

1962
01:23:38,649 --> 01:23:36,770
fascinated by all of those you know the

1963
01:23:41,020 --> 01:23:38,659
every one of the classics to me are

1964
01:23:42,990 --> 01:23:41,030
interesting and worth talking about even

1965
01:23:45,520 --> 01:23:43,000
though I think that many of them have

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01:23:47,740 --> 01:23:45,530
conventional known convention

1967
01:23:49,990 --> 01:23:47,750
conventional explanations one of the

1968
01:23:52,300 --> 01:23:50,000
things I wanted to get into is is your

1969
01:23:55,300 --> 01:23:52,310
your motivations and it's something that

1970
01:23:57,430 --> 01:23:55,310
you know we've kind of talked about at

1971
01:23:59,500 --> 01:23:57,440
forum dr. Perik as calm on a number of

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01:24:01,540 --> 01:23:59,510
occasions and one of the things that

1973
01:24:04,510 --> 01:24:01,550
early on that I found out about you is

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01:24:06,540 --> 01:24:04,520
your association with the Association

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01:24:08,709 --> 01:24:06,550
for rational thought and your

1976
01:24:11,140 --> 01:24:08,719
interesting little project that you

1977
01:24:15,160 --> 01:24:11,150
spearheaded back gosh it's almost 20

1978
01:24:17,560 --> 01:24:15,170
years ago called skeptical blurbs why

1979
01:24:19,899 --> 01:24:17,570
don't you give our listeners a sense of

1980
01:24:22,859 --> 01:24:19,909
where that idea came up with kind of

1981
01:24:25,479 --> 01:24:22,869
give a definition for us and and let's

1982
01:24:29,169 --> 01:24:25,489
maybe talk about your motivations your

1983
01:24:32,200 --> 01:24:29,179
thinking and how that that type of

1984
01:24:34,780 --> 01:24:32,210
approach has ebbed and flowed through

1985
01:24:36,640 --> 01:24:34,790
the last 20 years well yeah you know I I

1986
01:24:41,169 --> 01:24:36,650
was a member of the local skeptical

1987
01:24:43,919 --> 01:24:41,179
group and we the local TV stations would

1988
01:24:46,419 --> 01:24:43,929
frequently run stories that were

1989
01:24:49,500 --> 01:24:46,429
credulous to say the least things about

1990
01:24:51,459 --> 01:24:49,510
ghosts and things like that and

1991
01:24:54,280 --> 01:24:51,469
specifically we thought well it'd be

1992
01:24:56,140 --> 01:24:54,290
great if we could if we could respond to

1993
01:24:57,939 --> 01:24:56,150
these stories but you never know exactly

1994
01:24:59,320 --> 01:24:57,949
what they are but you know there's

1995
01:25:01,209 --> 01:24:59,330
something to do with the paranormal and

1996
01:25:03,040 --> 01:25:01,219
there and you know nobody does this as a

1997
01:25:05,439 --> 01:25:03,050
full-time job so it would be nice if we

1998
01:25:06,700 --> 01:25:05,449
had maybe something we could fax this

1999
01:25:09,280 --> 01:25:06,710
was back during the time when you would

2000
01:25:11,770 --> 01:25:09,290
fax something if we could fax one of

2001
01:25:15,410 --> 01:25:11,780
these sort of position papers sort of

2002
01:25:18,410 --> 01:25:15,420
just the skeptical side of Loch Ness

2003
01:25:22,070 --> 01:25:18,420
instance or the skeptical side of you a

2004
01:25:24,590 --> 01:25:22,080
Bigfoot if we could just fax that to the

2005
01:25:26,720 --> 01:25:24,600
TV station and then offer up someone

2006
01:25:28,610 --> 01:25:26,730
from the group who maybe could could

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01:25:30,830 --> 01:25:28,620
talk about it to give the skeptical side

2008
01:25:33,260 --> 01:25:30,840
of it I think that was the really the

2009
01:25:34,340 --> 01:25:33,270
whole motivation of it I don't think it

2010
01:25:37,459 --> 01:25:34,350
ever worked I don't know that we ever

2011
01:25:39,350 --> 01:25:37,469
actually used it or did it but a few of

2012
01:25:41,419 --> 01:25:39,360
us wrote some of those skeptical blurbs

2013
01:25:43,250 --> 01:25:41,429
which are sort of like encyclopedia

2014
01:25:45,620 --> 01:25:43,260
entries you know skeptical and

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01:25:48,620 --> 01:25:45,630
cyclopædia entries for various ferret

2016
01:25:50,270 --> 01:25:48,630
paranormal topics so in show business we

2017
01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:50,280
call them boiler plates or something

2018
01:25:55,850 --> 01:25:53,010
yeah just just response in case

2019
01:25:58,280 --> 01:25:55,860
something is published it's ridiculous

2020
01:26:00,350 --> 01:25:58,290
but most TV shows when they get into

2021
01:26:01,669 --> 01:26:00,360
something that's paranormal they're in

2022
01:26:04,010 --> 01:26:01,679
it for the entertainment they're not

2023
01:26:06,320 --> 01:26:04,020
there to investigate her tell us about

2024
01:26:08,450 --> 01:26:06,330
something strange and unknown well you

2025
01:26:11,530 --> 01:26:08,460
know I mean we will not back in 1993

2026
01:26:13,970 --> 01:26:11,540
when when this was originally proposed

2027
01:26:15,740 --> 01:26:13,980
it was a different world back then Jean

2028
01:26:18,640 --> 01:26:15,750
it wasn't until you know the mid

2029
01:26:21,110 --> 01:26:18,650
nineties late 90s that you know the

2030
01:26:22,760 --> 01:26:21,120
Hollywood realized hey people really are

2031
01:26:24,290 --> 01:26:22,770
into this stuff let's jazz it up and

2032
01:26:26,810 --> 01:26:24,300
make some dough yeah but in those days

2033
01:26:29,689 --> 01:26:26,820
they just smirk you know you'd have the

2034
01:26:31,820 --> 01:26:29,699
Talking Heads or the happy talk people

2035
01:26:34,580 --> 01:26:31,830
remember the happy talk newscasters you

2036
01:26:37,630 --> 01:26:34,590
still have them where between talking

2037
01:26:41,030 --> 01:26:37,640
about ambulance-chasing murders and

2038
01:26:43,689 --> 01:26:41,040
accidents and Wars and famine and

2039
01:26:46,010 --> 01:26:43,699
everything else they would throw in as

2040
01:26:47,689 --> 01:26:46,020
kind of a human interest story something

2041
01:26:50,510 --> 01:26:47,699
related to me the power and all more

2042
01:26:52,550 --> 01:26:50,520
someone saw UFOs but always was smirk or

2043
01:26:54,530 --> 01:26:52,560
a snicker well you know nearby here in

2044
01:26:57,020 --> 01:26:54,540
Columbus there was a famous story of a

2045
01:27:00,320 --> 01:26:57,030
girl who supposedly was possessed and

2046
01:27:01,850 --> 01:27:00,330
that there were you know poltergeist in

2047
01:27:04,100 --> 01:27:01,860
the house and so forth throwing things

2048
01:27:06,380 --> 01:27:04,110
around and I think Randy went up there

2049
01:27:08,689 --> 01:27:06,390
James Randi went up there he had the

2050
01:27:11,060 --> 01:27:08,699
guys from the news station leave the

2051
01:27:13,580 --> 01:27:11,070
cameras on while this girl this it was a

2052
01:27:17,450 --> 01:27:13,590
teenage girl typically these poltergeist

2053
01:27:20,240 --> 01:27:17,460
cases involve teenage girls but he had

2054
01:27:22,340 --> 01:27:20,250
them leave the cameras on and they

2055
01:27:23,720 --> 01:27:22,350
caught her plain as day throwing you

2056
01:27:26,120 --> 01:27:23,730
know throwing something and then

2057
01:27:26,750 --> 01:27:26,130
pretending is that I waited while no one

2058
01:27:28,740 --> 01:27:26,760
was looking

2059
01:27:31,860 --> 01:27:28,750
pretending as though it was

2060
01:27:34,080 --> 01:27:31,870
ghost and that those kinds of stories I

2061
01:27:36,660 --> 01:27:34,090
think we're on the air you know

2062
01:27:38,640 --> 01:27:36,670
in local news anyway what do you think

2063
01:27:41,550 --> 01:27:38,650
of poltergeist cases there have been

2064
01:27:45,030 --> 01:27:41,560
some very very impressive documentation

2065
01:27:47,310 --> 01:27:45,040
of cases going back over a hundred years

2066
01:27:49,980 --> 01:27:47,320
I mean where do you come down on some of

2067
01:27:52,230 --> 01:27:49,990
that do you think it's possible for some

2068
01:27:54,690 --> 01:27:52,240
sort of manifestation of physical

2069
01:27:57,840 --> 01:27:54,700
effects by a trouble team which is a

2070
01:28:00,120 --> 01:27:57,850
commonly accepted explanation for real

2071
01:28:02,610 --> 01:28:00,130
poltergeist cases do you even feel there

2072
01:28:04,860 --> 01:28:02,620
are real poltergeist cases I haven't

2073
01:28:06,360 --> 01:28:04,870
seen any evidence for any and I and I

2074
01:28:08,430 --> 01:28:06,370
haven't seen evidence that was I thought

2075
01:28:10,860 --> 01:28:08,440
was compelling for any but I'd be open

2076
01:28:13,830 --> 01:28:10,870
to seeing any evidence like that I

2077
01:28:17,730 --> 01:28:13,840
became in addition to my interest in

2078
01:28:23,100 --> 01:28:17,740
UFOs and Ottis car I became like super

2079
01:28:25,320 --> 01:28:23,110
interested in in the 1888 formation of

2080
01:28:28,110 --> 01:28:25,330
the psychic psychical Society in Britain

2081
01:28:30,870 --> 01:28:28,120
and I read a lot of stuff about that and

2082
01:28:34,020 --> 01:28:30,880
there's some very interesting you know

2083
01:28:37,320 --> 01:28:34,030
formative ideas about ghosts and about

2084
01:28:38,700 --> 01:28:37,330
spirits and that sort of thing so those

2085
01:28:41,820 --> 01:28:38,710
kinds of things are interesting to me

2086
01:28:44,700 --> 01:28:41,830
but all the evidence is you know is it's

2087
01:28:46,560 --> 01:28:44,710
just not it's just not up to snuff you

2088
01:28:50,960 --> 01:28:46,570
don't think there's any such thing as a

2089
01:28:54,660 --> 01:28:50,970
true haunting or any sort of unexplained

2090
01:28:57,840 --> 01:28:54,670
manifestation of effect that can be

2091
01:28:59,430 --> 01:28:57,850
documented in scientifically I haven't

2092
01:29:02,250 --> 01:28:59,440
heard of one that's had Justine

2093
01:29:05,520 --> 01:29:02,260
listeners take notes lance moody is at

2094
01:29:08,850 --> 01:29:05,530
forum dr. Peric ascom I'm sure he would

2095
01:29:11,270 --> 01:29:08,860
be more than interested to have anybody

2096
01:29:15,300 --> 01:29:11,280
send him scientific proof that there is

2097
01:29:20,250 --> 01:29:15,310
some sort of phenomenon called

2098
01:29:22,140 --> 01:29:20,260
poltergeist walks that my blogsite might

2099
01:29:25,310 --> 01:29:22,150
give you an idea of my thinking of the

2100
01:29:30,390 --> 01:29:25,320
ghost which is you know not a ghost calm

2101
01:29:32,760 --> 01:29:30,400
so that might give you some pretty

2102
01:29:37,800 --> 01:29:32,770
self-explanatory there yeah you really

2103
01:29:41,460 --> 01:29:37,810
have a like Gina and I a bit of an issue

2104
01:29:43,920 --> 01:29:41,470
with the plethora of ghost hunting shows

2105
01:29:46,050 --> 01:29:43,930
out there and and now they're using that

2106
01:29:53,640 --> 01:29:46,060
same kind of boiler plated reality show

2107
01:29:56,520 --> 01:29:53,650
approach in in Bigfoot James Fox what do

2108
01:29:58,230 --> 01:29:56,530
you think of chasing UFOs that was that

2109
01:29:59,760 --> 01:29:58,240
was amazing that whole thing I don't

2110
01:30:02,820 --> 01:29:59,770
know if you heard that stuff with Paul

2111
01:30:05,430 --> 01:30:02,830
Kimball and James Fox but that was

2112
01:30:07,920 --> 01:30:05,440
embarrassing for him he essentially well

2113
01:30:09,810 --> 01:30:07,930
he seemed to have threatened Paul

2114
01:30:10,340 --> 01:30:09,820
Kimball with physical violence becomes

2115
01:30:13,860 --> 01:30:10,350
called

2116
01:30:18,180 --> 01:30:13,870
that was a rather low point in the

2117
01:30:19,530 --> 01:30:18,190
initial backlash from the the show being

2118
01:30:21,240 --> 01:30:19,540
here and of course we were the first

2119
01:30:24,990 --> 01:30:21,250
ones I think Jean right to have James

2120
01:30:27,570 --> 01:30:25,000
Fox on just prior to the first episode

2121
01:30:29,250 --> 01:30:27,580
yes we were yes we were and we'll cover

2122
01:30:31,530 --> 01:30:29,260
more of this in a moment with Lance

2123
01:30:40,590 --> 01:30:31,540
moody joining Jean and Chris you're in

2124
01:30:42,930 --> 01:30:40,600
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so as we said with Lance moody and gene

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and Chris and the power cast we did talk

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to James Fox when his chasing UFOs show

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came on and we gave that presentation

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because James Fox is a pretty straight

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ahead guy he's done a lot of really good

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work but this show forget about it is

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that show off the air now or is it I

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don't know I know they had a season one

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and they were talking of a season two

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supposedly the ratings were good well

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01:35:37,010 --> 01:35:33,840
yeah the ratings were good but name me

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one other show it's supposedly a news

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reality-based show that wasn't a drama

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where two of the three principals

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publicly come out and slag their own

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program I mean what do you think about

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that Lance do you think that that was

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just all a PR ploy and create you know

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create some controversy or do you think

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that Ben and James actually we're not

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happy I think they probably weren't

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happy I mean you know I work in

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television and I know how these things

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go and and nowadays these shows are just

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I mean they really do follow a sort of a

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cookie cutter format and and they're

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pretty terrible I mean the whole idea of

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going out and looking for things in the

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dark for some reason it was just it was

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so ludicrous right with three inches of

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water - I love it you're looking for

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physical evidence in in a water soaked

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field at night with a lipstick camp

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pointed in your face with a little light

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I mean should we just wait till tomorrow

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morning guys and you know and I asked

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him privately I mean come on man as soon

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as they strap that harness on you and

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put that camera in your face I mean what

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did you know why did you allow that it's

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a well you know good you know that's

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what they wanted so you know it's a bad

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position to be in you know he's he's

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really he's actually an actually very

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01:37:03,050 --> 01:37:01,140
good researcher in and a very good

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01:37:04,650 --> 01:37:03,060
journalist he does dig into things

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01:37:06,570 --> 01:37:04,660
pretty well of course

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you would have problems with out of the

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blue and some of the other documentary

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01:37:12,540 --> 01:37:10,690
work that he's done I'm sure but but the

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cream rises to the top and I've always

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considered James to be one of the guys

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that hey if you know if you're gonna get

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into this subject and watch and try to

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determine whether you want to believe or

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not he would be one place that I would

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01:37:28,470 --> 01:37:26,230
suggest going because he is a very good

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filmmaker well people love this stuff I

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mean that they really they love those

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01:37:34,320 --> 01:37:31,840
shows for some reason you know whenever

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the only thing that people ever read at

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01:37:38,880 --> 01:37:36,400
my blog is the review I wrote a long

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01:37:41,510 --> 01:37:38,890
time ago about Finding Bigfoot and every

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01:37:45,870 --> 01:37:41,520
time that show comes on I have this huge

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01:37:47,430 --> 01:37:45,880
spike in in hits would people just I

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01:37:47,940 --> 01:37:47,440
guess they're just going on looking for

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01:37:50,310 --> 01:37:47,950
a review

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01:37:51,570 --> 01:37:50,320
I'd never moderate or anything but

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01:37:52,920 --> 01:37:51,580
people come on there and they say

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they're little they say their little

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01:37:57,300 --> 01:37:55,060
piece about the show about half the

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01:37:59,970 --> 01:37:57,310
people say this is the most ridiculous

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thing I've ever seen and a lot of people

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01:38:04,200 --> 01:38:01,840
say that you know it's entertaining this

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fun to watch and and I don't I don't get

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a lot of people who say I believe this I

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believe in this show I think people just

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like to be entertained and I have to say

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01:38:15,300 --> 01:38:13,540
when I was looking at those ghost shows

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when I first started my blog I thought

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we'd write just reviews of these ghost

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shows but that quickly ended up being a

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dead end because there's nothing much to

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write when I watch those ghost shows

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they are kind of fun to watch at first

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but after a while you realize oh my god

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this is the exact same thing that

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happened last week we're not gonna see

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anything again I think they're

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entertaining for just a certain segment

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of people they just enjoy him and I

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don't think it means dumb people or

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anything else I just think that

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sometimes it's fun just to just sit back

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and have a silly story to you you know

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01:38:50,790 --> 01:38:48,040
it's interesting just in passing that

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Paul Kimball complaining about James Fox

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and his reality show of course Paul

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Kimball was involved in his own ghost

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type reality show at one time - yeah I

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never saw that one but you know he was

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doing that as a job - it's a it's a job

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and I don't know that he did anything

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01:39:08,670 --> 01:39:07,180
wrong in that show or anything else it's

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I think those shows are kind of silly

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and I don't think they ever come up with

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anything in the form of evidence but

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01:39:17,669 --> 01:39:16,780
there they can be fun to watch in small

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amounts

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well I know a lot of people like the

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reality shows I could never get into

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reality shows I never watched them I

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don't watch Survivor and all these other

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crazy shows I'm just not interested

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certainly don't watch the Jersey Shore

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girls or whoever they are or the Real

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Housewives of Brooklyn they may not be

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any show like that but I have no idea

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01:39:41,240 --> 01:39:38,290
because I don't watch them

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01:39:47,640 --> 01:39:41,250
I haven't had TV in almost seven years I

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I have a good friend who dogs me about

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that well you never know what's going on

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right so I know more about what's going

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on in the world in you all you know is

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01:40:01,950 --> 01:39:59,409
who's the final four on America's Got

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Talent you know it's like I don't know

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01:40:06,570 --> 01:40:03,670
what do you think of the media I mean

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you're in television I mean what do you

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think this this this Gangnam you know

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just huge I mean we're talking oh you

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talk about psy this he's a South Korean

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rapper I've seen him and refused a smart

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guy who was educated in the u.s. is a

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guy so we're in MC Hammer he does that

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riding the horse dance right exactly he

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is a good dancer and he's kind of a you

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know short stocky kind of guy and he

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01:40:36,300 --> 01:40:34,179
seems to just be you know enjoying it

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all taking it in because he doesn't take

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himself seriously actually the number of

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downloads is something like five six

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hundred million but that's a lot you

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know I I really enjoy documentaries and

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01:40:47,640 --> 01:40:46,870
and I saw one recently that starred mr.

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01:40:51,720 --> 01:40:47,650
Chris O'Brien

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01:40:53,970 --> 01:40:51,730
it was the Louis Theroux documentary on

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01:40:56,100 --> 01:40:53,980
UFOs I thought that was fantastically

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01:40:58,050 --> 01:40:56,110
fun I didn't think I thought Chris came

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01:40:59,970 --> 01:40:58,060
out looking well you know there was no I

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have no problems with what well it was a

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comedy show and I ended up turning the

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01:41:06,780 --> 01:41:04,989
comedy around on the comedians what was

2377
01:41:08,490 --> 01:41:06,790
I've never I've never heard you talk

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01:41:11,040 --> 01:41:08,500
about that what was your experience on

2379
01:41:15,810 --> 01:41:11,050
that show well it's interesting you

2380
01:41:17,550 --> 01:41:15,820
should ask I because everything was all

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01:41:21,270 --> 01:41:17,560
done last minute they were actually

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01:41:23,280 --> 01:41:21,280
flying back from Las Vegas to to London

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01:41:26,100 --> 01:41:23,290
they had been out to my house for two

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01:41:27,870 --> 01:41:26,110
days trying to get some comedic fodder

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01:41:29,280 --> 01:41:27,880
and I just wouldn't give it up and I

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01:41:30,720 --> 01:41:29,290
just turned the tables on the whole time

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01:41:31,050 --> 01:41:30,730
and they got pretty frustrated and

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01:41:34,560 --> 01:41:31,060
finally

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01:41:36,570 --> 01:41:34,570
left but with the promise if something

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01:41:38,340 --> 01:41:36,580
did occur to give him a call if they

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were still in the States well you just

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as you know you know Providence would

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supply I had a very very intriguing

2394
01:41:50,760 --> 01:41:48,580
cattle mutilation case it was reported

2395
01:41:53,040 --> 01:41:50,770
to me by the Alamos County Sheriff I

2396
01:41:55,710 --> 01:41:53,050
went out and checked it out and and said

2397
01:41:58,530 --> 01:41:55,720
hey Louie if you're still around come on

2398
01:42:00,510 --> 01:41:58,540
out it's not gonna be fun but you know

2399
01:42:02,940 --> 01:42:00,520
you wanted me to call you come on out so

2400
01:42:05,490 --> 01:42:02,950
they came out it was just above freezing

2401
01:42:08,580 --> 01:42:05,500
forty mile an hour wind nasty no trees

2402
01:42:10,680 --> 01:42:08,590
no cover the anus of that cattle was

2403
01:42:12,990 --> 01:42:10,690
blowing out big gas bubbles from the

2404
01:42:15,690 --> 01:42:13,000
fermentation of the vegetable matter in

2405
01:42:17,880 --> 01:42:15,700
the stomach the ranch's dog licked the

2406
01:42:20,100 --> 01:42:17,890
blood from the eye socket that had

2407
01:42:23,670 --> 01:42:20,110
apparently been appeared to have been

2408
01:42:25,290 --> 01:42:23,680
excised around the flesh around the the

2409
01:42:29,340 --> 01:42:25,300
eye and the mandible the tongue was gone

2410
01:42:31,650 --> 01:42:29,350
and just watching these guys puking

2411
01:42:35,790 --> 01:42:31,660
getting sick saying that that image

2412
01:42:38,490 --> 01:42:35,800
remained in my my memory for the rest of

2413
01:42:40,380 --> 01:42:38,500
my life yeah it was just I was howling

2414
01:42:42,870 --> 01:42:40,390
me and the rancher I mean the rancher

2415
01:42:45,860 --> 01:42:42,880
was was really ticked off that the case

2416
01:42:48,990 --> 01:42:45,870
happened to his best breeding cow but I

2417
01:42:50,940 --> 01:42:49,000
ended up for not hitting the record

2418
01:42:52,470 --> 01:42:50,950
button on my camera because I have a

2419
01:42:55,680 --> 01:42:52,480
video camera that that I record the

2420
01:42:58,290 --> 01:42:55,690
entire soil sample gathering the plant

2421
01:43:02,130 --> 01:42:58,300
sample gathering the forensic samples

2422
01:43:04,260 --> 01:43:02,140
what have you and and so later on after

2423
01:43:06,840 --> 01:43:04,270
they had returned to England these

2424
01:43:09,960 --> 01:43:06,850
samples were part of actually an

2425
01:43:12,660 --> 01:43:09,970
excision site study and we found some

2426
01:43:13,620 --> 01:43:12,670
amazing scientific anomalies actually of

2427
01:43:16,350 --> 01:43:13,630
course Lance would probably have a

2428
01:43:18,600 --> 01:43:16,360
problem with the results but I was proud

2429
01:43:21,780 --> 01:43:18,610
I was proud to be involved in the study

2430
01:43:24,000 --> 01:43:21,790
and I had the BBC actually documented so

2431
01:43:24,660 --> 01:43:24,010
I called the BBC and said you guys

2432
01:43:28,050 --> 01:43:24,670
messed me up

2433
01:43:30,240 --> 01:43:28,060
I need video and so they had they made

2434
01:43:33,000 --> 01:43:30,250
the mistake of sending me all their raw

2435
01:43:35,610 --> 01:43:33,010
footage I sat down and I created an

2436
01:43:37,980 --> 01:43:35,620
entire transcript of what went on on the

2437
01:43:41,640 --> 01:43:37,990
site and I published it in my second

2438
01:43:42,990 --> 01:43:41,650
book well you know I I liked the part

2439
01:43:43,500 --> 01:43:43,000
where you and Louie were together it

2440
01:43:45,629 --> 01:43:43,510
made

2441
01:43:47,399 --> 01:43:45,639
look as though maybe he was spending the

2442
01:43:50,970 --> 01:43:47,409
night with you and you guys were friends

2443
01:43:53,399 --> 01:43:50,980
and stuff well ground control to Major

2444
01:43:57,390 --> 01:43:53,409
Tom yeah yeah my house for two days I

2445
01:43:58,799 --> 01:43:57,400
couldn't get rid of him you know I you

2446
01:44:00,359 --> 01:43:58,809
know when these shows want to come see

2447
01:44:02,850 --> 01:44:00,369
me or have me help them

2448
01:44:05,310 --> 01:44:02,860
I suck a man these 22 year old research

2449
01:44:07,560 --> 01:44:05,320
you know people with wet-behind-the-ears

2450
01:44:08,640 --> 01:44:07,570
they they have no idea about the subject

2451
01:44:11,910 --> 01:44:08,650
and they're supposed to like you know

2452
01:44:13,979 --> 01:44:11,920
research cattle Mewtwo UFOs or hauntings

2453
01:44:15,810 --> 01:44:13,989
or whatever and I suck him in just far

2454
01:44:17,459 --> 01:44:15,820
enough and then I say ok times up and

2455
01:44:19,350 --> 01:44:17,469
they say what are you talking about I'm

2456
01:44:20,819 --> 01:44:19,360
still writing notes I said well that's

2457
01:44:24,569 --> 01:44:20,829
how much you get for free now you guys

2458
01:44:26,189 --> 01:44:24,579
start paying me the whole what so I

2459
01:44:28,770 --> 01:44:26,199
thought it I thought it was a charming

2460
01:44:30,359 --> 01:44:28,780
episode and there was some funny stuff

2461
01:44:33,870 --> 01:44:30,369
in there there was a challenge channel

2462
01:44:35,729 --> 01:44:33,880
or guy and well a group that's there to

2463
01:44:37,080 --> 01:44:35,739
protect the aliens when they when they

2464
01:44:39,930 --> 01:44:37,090
finally arrive and they have their

2465
01:44:42,509 --> 01:44:39,940
uniforms and the competing Roswell crash

2466
01:44:43,740 --> 01:44:42,519
sites I Louie Louie had a really good

2467
01:44:46,290 --> 01:44:43,750
show it was one of the most popular

2468
01:44:48,240 --> 01:44:46,300
shows on BBC two if I remember it was on

2469
01:44:50,549 --> 01:44:48,250
Sunday nights it was a big deal and I

2470
01:44:55,169 --> 01:44:50,559
really liked Louie I really liked the

2471
01:44:57,810 --> 01:44:55,179
crew I do have problems the only times

2472
01:44:59,930 --> 01:44:57,820
I've really run into major difficulties

2473
01:45:05,000 --> 01:44:59,940
with productions have been British

2474
01:45:07,500 --> 01:45:05,010
they're sneaky they lie sometimes they

2475
01:45:08,729 --> 01:45:07,510
kind of bait and switch you you have to

2476
01:45:11,250 --> 01:45:08,739
be really careful with them but after

2477
01:45:13,109 --> 01:45:11,260
about 40 50 shows I mean I'm I'm getting

2478
01:45:14,729 --> 01:45:13,119
pretty good at it at least I hope the

2479
01:45:17,399 --> 01:45:14,739
check didn't bounce that's important we

2480
01:45:27,590 --> 01:45:17,409
got our lance Moody joining Gian and

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[Music]

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01:47:53,959 --> 01:47:49,649
welcome back to the para cast the gold

2533
01:48:01,469 --> 01:47:53,969
standard of paranormal radio and now

2534
01:48:03,719 --> 01:48:01,479
here's Jean Steinberg now when Lance

2535
01:48:05,759 --> 01:48:03,729
moody joined us he said you know I have

2536
01:48:07,830 --> 01:48:05,769
never been on a two-hour or a three-hour

2537
01:48:09,270 --> 01:48:07,840
radio show and I don't know if I can

2538
01:48:11,969 --> 01:48:09,280
hang in for all that time and I said you

2539
01:48:13,799 --> 01:48:11,979
know what Lance here's the deal if you

2540
01:48:15,330 --> 01:48:13,809
get tired Chris and I will interview

2541
01:48:17,580 --> 01:48:15,340
each other will debate each other we'll

2542
01:48:19,889 --> 01:48:17,590
fight each other virtually of course and

2543
01:48:22,169 --> 01:48:19,899
you sit back and laugh and short or

2544
01:48:25,199 --> 01:48:22,179
whatever you want every that's fine with

2545
01:48:26,969 --> 01:48:25,209
me yes but you know what we have the

2546
01:48:29,159 --> 01:48:26,979
last four segments of the show and

2547
01:48:30,810 --> 01:48:29,169
you're still going strong so maybe you

2548
01:48:32,849 --> 01:48:30,820
have a new career here I want to thank

2549
01:48:35,509 --> 01:48:32,859
Chris for being so kind to me I expected

2550
01:48:38,339 --> 01:48:35,519
him to be a lot madder at me and I

2551
01:48:40,439 --> 01:48:38,349
really but that's not what the show is

2552
01:48:42,359 --> 01:48:40,449
about the shows about separating the

2553
01:48:44,759 --> 01:48:42,369
signal from the noise and you are one of

2554
01:48:48,209 --> 01:48:44,769
the most valued people that we have at

2555
01:48:51,149 --> 01:48:48,219
forum dr. Perik as comm you are our

2556
01:48:54,089 --> 01:48:51,159
conscience our cop you're willing to

2557
01:48:55,770 --> 01:48:54,099
spend amazing amounts of time to dig

2558
01:48:58,049 --> 01:48:55,780
into things that you feel are important

2559
01:49:01,020 --> 01:48:58,059
I'm one of your biggest fans Believe It

2560
01:49:03,109 --> 01:49:01,030
or Not Lance I am I appreciate that you

2561
01:49:06,479 --> 01:49:03,119
know I really don't spend much time on

2562
01:49:09,119 --> 01:49:06,489
this issue I know it seems like I do but

2563
01:49:11,459 --> 01:49:09,129
you know when I'm working I often do a

2564
01:49:13,619 --> 01:49:11,469
lot of animations motion graphics and

2565
01:49:15,929 --> 01:49:13,629
that kind of thing so I'm sitting at the

2566
01:49:18,209 --> 01:49:15,939
computer and many many times I have to

2567
01:49:19,859 --> 01:49:18,219
sit there and wait for a render to take

2568
01:49:23,369 --> 01:49:19,869
place and okay so while you're rendering

2569
01:49:25,560 --> 01:49:23,379
your 3d exactly you go into the forums

2570
01:49:27,839 --> 01:49:25,570
and you hang out and you have that and I

2571
01:49:29,399 --> 01:49:27,849
okay we got your secret by the way tell

2572
01:49:31,049 --> 01:49:29,409
our listeners what do you do for

2573
01:49:33,449 --> 01:49:31,059
television are you strictly a convivial

2574
01:49:37,459 --> 01:49:33,459
editor yeah I'm an editor and an

2575
01:49:40,319 --> 01:49:37,469
animator you know I do a lot of high-end

2576
01:49:43,109 --> 01:49:40,329
corporate films and TV commercials that

2577
01:49:46,199 --> 01:49:43,119
kind of thing and II use Final Cut Pro I

2578
01:49:48,060 --> 01:49:46,209
I do use Final Cut Pro I use After

2579
01:49:50,580 --> 01:49:48,070
Effects quite a bit it's one of the main

2580
01:49:54,839 --> 01:49:50,590
tools that I use I and I used the new

2581
01:49:56,250 --> 01:49:54,849
Final Cut X as well so I use a lot of

2582
01:49:57,340 --> 01:49:56,260
different tools but After Effects I

2583
01:49:59,950 --> 01:49:57,350
would say it's probably the thing

2584
01:50:01,720 --> 01:49:59,960
I use the most well iron others other

2585
01:50:04,510 --> 01:50:01,730
tech night out live I'd like to talk to

2586
01:50:06,280 --> 01:50:04,520
you about Final Cut Pro 10 because it's

2587
01:50:08,110 --> 01:50:06,290
so controversial because it has so many

2588
01:50:10,240 --> 01:50:08,120
big changes let's get back to what

2589
01:50:12,400 --> 01:50:10,250
you're doing now when we plan to have

2590
01:50:15,220 --> 01:50:12,410
you on a couple of weeks back we posted

2591
01:50:17,260 --> 01:50:15,230
an announcement at forum dr. Peric ascom

2592
01:50:20,490 --> 01:50:17,270
to see what our listeners had to say

2593
01:50:23,170 --> 01:50:20,500
they say okay guys he's gonna be on

2594
01:50:25,810 --> 01:50:23,180
definite now it's your chance to have

2595
01:50:27,280 --> 01:50:25,820
that lance moody and they did and Chris

2596
01:50:29,230 --> 01:50:27,290
is going to start to ask some of those

2597
01:50:31,240 --> 01:50:29,240
questions well of course the first

2598
01:50:33,190 --> 01:50:31,250
question that comes to mind is are you

2599
01:50:35,200 --> 01:50:33,200
paid to do what you do I mean that's

2600
01:50:36,700 --> 01:50:35,210
several people I think and you're

2601
01:50:39,220 --> 01:50:36,710
looking at the questions as well as I am

2602
01:50:42,610 --> 01:50:39,230
this particular one is from GOG smacky

2603
01:50:46,240 --> 01:50:42,620
who's one of our more active members of

2604
01:50:50,440 --> 01:50:46,250
the forum and I mean Lance you're

2605
01:50:51,910 --> 01:50:50,450
spending time of disproving things that

2606
01:50:53,410 --> 01:50:51,920
you don't believe in in the first place

2607
01:50:55,150 --> 01:50:53,420
and that gets back to an earlier

2608
01:50:56,680 --> 01:50:55,160
question we didn't fully cover and that

2609
01:50:58,360 --> 01:50:56,690
is you know what what's your motivation

2610
01:51:01,720 --> 01:50:58,370
man are you getting paid to do this I

2611
01:51:04,000 --> 01:51:01,730
hope so let me ask you do you think

2612
01:51:07,360 --> 01:51:04,010
they're people like like me who are

2613
01:51:09,640 --> 01:51:07,370
getting paid by someone to be skeptical

2614
01:51:12,040 --> 01:51:09,650
I mean do you really I would think that

2615
01:51:14,920 --> 01:51:12,050
there are government employees that are

2616
01:51:16,390 --> 01:51:14,930
paid to monitor certain sites and shows

2617
01:51:17,890 --> 01:51:16,400
yeah absolutely

2618
01:51:21,070 --> 01:51:17,900
but specifically though they

2619
01:51:23,410 --> 01:51:21,080
specifically the the paranormal or the

2620
01:51:25,840 --> 01:51:23,420
pair caste do you think that someone

2621
01:51:27,610 --> 01:51:25,850
might be paid to I'm just asking I'm not

2622
01:51:29,380 --> 01:51:27,620
I'm not accusing there that I'm just

2623
01:51:31,510 --> 01:51:29,390
wondering if you really think someone

2624
01:51:35,740 --> 01:51:31,520
might have been might be getting a

2625
01:51:39,190 --> 01:51:35,750
paycheck to talk about skeptical issues

2626
01:51:42,850 --> 01:51:39,200
I well if you want to put it that way no

2627
01:51:45,570 --> 01:51:42,860
I don't but I do without any hesitation

2628
01:51:46,960 --> 01:51:45,580
I think that there are

2629
01:51:48,550 --> 01:51:46,970
counterintelligence

2630
01:51:51,250 --> 01:51:48,560
individuals within the intelligence

2631
01:51:52,300 --> 01:51:51,260
community who are tasked with monitoring

2632
01:51:53,860 --> 01:51:52,310
keeping their pulse

2633
01:51:56,710 --> 01:51:53,870
you know finger on the pulse of the

2634
01:51:59,830 --> 01:51:56,720
paranormal finding out how floating the

2635
01:52:02,530 --> 01:51:59,840
trial balloons putting out red herrings

2636
01:52:04,720 --> 01:52:02,540
disinformation programs monitoring the

2637
01:52:05,500 --> 01:52:04,730
response seeing how its spun you're darn

2638
01:52:08,020 --> 01:52:05,510
tootin

2639
01:52:10,210 --> 01:52:08,030
well I pertains to the question no I

2640
01:52:11,229 --> 01:52:10,220
don't get paid for it it's it's probably

2641
01:52:13,239 --> 01:52:11,239
you know is its

2642
01:52:16,089 --> 01:52:13,249
sort of a hobby it's it's probably some

2643
01:52:17,830 --> 01:52:16,099
kind of character flaw that I have it's

2644
01:52:20,319 --> 01:52:17,840
a lot of a lot of different different

2645
01:52:22,299 --> 01:52:20,329
things just passing the time is is the

2646
01:52:24,549 --> 01:52:22,309
reason I sometimes and I have to say I

2647
01:52:26,109 --> 01:52:24,559
don't participate as much as I used to I

2648
01:52:28,330 --> 01:52:26,119
don't know if you've noticed that or not

2649
01:52:29,919 --> 01:52:28,340
but it's it's much less than I used to

2650
01:52:32,890 --> 01:52:29,929
on the forums it's only when I come up

2651
01:52:34,419 --> 01:52:32,900
with something they are dogging me damn

2652
01:52:36,040 --> 01:52:34,429
you're like a pitbull dude and you get

2653
01:52:38,439 --> 01:52:36,050
pretty rude to your you're like a puppy

2654
01:52:41,140 --> 01:52:38,449
dog on the show here but man I'll tell

2655
01:52:44,290 --> 01:52:41,150
you you are very very artful the way you

2656
01:52:47,379 --> 01:52:44,300
use your passive-aggressive technique to

2657
01:52:49,390 --> 01:52:47,389
ignore all the good stuff that I think

2658
01:52:51,009 --> 01:52:49,400
is important and just look for those

2659
01:52:53,830 --> 01:52:51,019
chinks in the argument chinks in the

2660
01:52:55,540 --> 01:52:53,840
armor and just start drilling down on it

2661
01:52:57,250 --> 01:52:55,550
drilling down drilling down drilling

2662
01:52:58,750 --> 01:52:57,260
down exclude everything else just drill

2663
01:53:00,640 --> 01:52:58,760
down on where you see the weak points

2664
01:53:03,459 --> 01:53:00,650
and that to me is a little disingenuous

2665
01:53:05,379 --> 01:53:03,469
but that's only my opinion well I think

2666
01:53:08,109 --> 01:53:05,389
that some of that is valid I mean I

2667
01:53:09,910 --> 01:53:08,119
think that sometimes like I said it may

2668
01:53:12,939 --> 01:53:09,920
be a little bit of a character flaw but

2669
01:53:15,310 --> 01:53:12,949
when people there is a desire sometimes

2670
01:53:18,279 --> 01:53:15,320
to set the internet straight and I have

2671
01:53:25,509 --> 01:53:18,289
thus far been unsuccessful but I have

2672
01:53:29,049 --> 01:53:25,519
tried well you can't be I mean you're

2673
01:53:32,100 --> 01:53:29,059
very good at skirting that that line

2674
01:53:35,200 --> 01:53:32,110
between ad hominem attack and and

2675
01:53:37,629 --> 01:53:35,210
character assassination you become a

2676
01:53:40,359 --> 01:53:37,639
master at a day and I've been taking

2677
01:53:44,140 --> 01:53:40,369
notes dude I'm actually getting pretty

2678
01:53:45,669 --> 01:53:44,150
good at it too so I love our repartee I

2679
01:53:48,459 --> 01:53:45,679
mean it might come across as real

2680
01:53:50,979 --> 01:53:48,469
mean-spirited sometimes and impersonal

2681
01:53:54,189 --> 01:53:50,989
and all this but I do this and laughs I

2682
01:53:56,589 --> 01:53:54,199
mean to be honest with you ants the vast

2683
01:53:58,989 --> 01:53:56,599
majority of these subjects and people

2684
01:54:03,669 --> 01:53:58,999
involved with these subjects and and and

2685
01:54:06,370 --> 01:54:03,679
the cultivation of popular delusion if

2686
01:54:08,890 --> 01:54:06,380
you will to me is fascinating and like

2687
01:54:10,720 --> 01:54:08,900
you as you mentioned at the top of the

2688
01:54:13,029 --> 01:54:10,730
show I'm really fascinated by the

2689
01:54:15,660 --> 01:54:13,039
individuals in this field how certain

2690
01:54:17,979 --> 01:54:15,670
memes are propagated how memes are

2691
01:54:20,560 --> 01:54:17,989
somehow get attracted and kind of

2692
01:54:22,600 --> 01:54:20,570
coalesce together this is endlessly

2693
01:54:24,609 --> 01:54:22,610
fascinating to me and I think we're

2694
01:54:25,000 --> 01:54:24,619
dealing with with a very important

2695
01:54:27,700 --> 01:54:25,010
period

2696
01:54:30,370 --> 01:54:27,710
of societal and sociological development

2697
01:54:33,880 --> 01:54:30,380
of belief systems and on the planet and

2698
01:54:36,220 --> 01:54:33,890
this whole 2012 why 2012 kay thing as I

2699
01:54:38,560 --> 01:54:36,230
like to refer to it is a classic example

2700
01:54:41,979 --> 01:54:38,570
of that but you know people want to know

2701
01:54:44,050 --> 01:54:41,989
why do you care I mean why do you even

2702
01:54:45,250 --> 01:54:44,060
care you said well maybe I could change

2703
01:54:47,170 --> 01:54:45,260
the Internet come on man

2704
01:54:50,260 --> 01:54:47,180
that doesn't watch why do you even

2705
01:54:52,660 --> 01:54:50,270
bother no I was serious about that that

2706
01:54:54,729 --> 01:54:52,670
that you know people when you get into

2707
01:54:57,729 --> 01:54:54,739
an argument or something on the Internet

2708
01:54:59,320 --> 01:54:57,739
there is this kind of weird thing that

2709
01:55:01,840 --> 01:54:59,330
overtakes you where you think you've

2710
01:55:04,060 --> 01:55:01,850
gotta get your point in and I'm

2711
01:55:07,300 --> 01:55:04,070
certainly guilty of that but you know

2712
01:55:08,760 --> 01:55:07,310
usually I think that I try to be you

2713
01:55:12,670 --> 01:55:08,770
know I try to have some sort of

2714
01:55:15,970 --> 01:55:12,680
connection to the scientific method to

2715
01:55:17,860 --> 01:55:15,980
to trying to get to the truth and a lot

2716
01:55:22,810 --> 01:55:17,870
of times you know I think the other side

2717
01:55:26,470 --> 01:55:22,820
is is frustrating and it's annoying to

2718
01:55:31,229 --> 01:55:26,480
me and maybe that's why I if if I make

2719
01:55:33,610 --> 01:55:31,239
inappropriate comments on a forum or

2720
01:55:36,370 --> 01:55:33,620
antagonistic comments on a forum you

2721
01:55:38,979 --> 01:55:36,380
know it's not it's not because I haven't

2722
01:55:42,130 --> 01:55:38,989
heard any antagonistic comments back

2723
01:55:44,500 --> 01:55:42,140
towards me you know it's it's it's just

2724
01:55:46,450 --> 01:55:44,510
it's a two-way street sometimes and it's

2725
01:55:49,060 --> 01:55:46,460
the motivation is just that I'm

2726
01:55:50,979 --> 01:55:49,070
interested in the topic and maybe I

2727
01:55:53,950 --> 01:55:50,989
think I know something about it yeah I

2728
01:55:56,200 --> 01:55:53,960
don't know okay well this one comes from

2729
01:55:59,890 --> 01:55:56,210
srl who's been a longtime member of the

2730
01:56:01,840 --> 01:55:59,900
forum at forum dr. Barrick ascom Lance

2731
01:56:04,479 --> 01:56:01,850
do you consider yourself a material

2732
01:56:05,620 --> 01:56:04,489
reductionist a dualist and ideal is to

2733
01:56:09,490 --> 01:56:05,630
perhaps something completely different

2734
01:56:13,150 --> 01:56:09,500
besides obviously being a skeptic yeah I

2735
01:56:15,940 --> 01:56:13,160
don't I don't you know for me the the

2736
01:56:19,180 --> 01:56:15,950
things when I stop subscribing to

2737
01:56:21,130 --> 01:56:19,190
skeptical Inquirer magazine I remember I

2738
01:56:23,770 --> 01:56:21,140
remember distinctly that they began to

2739
01:56:26,860 --> 01:56:23,780
have issues that were like feminism and

2740
01:56:27,550 --> 01:56:26,870
skepticism and and post-modernism and

2741
01:56:29,080 --> 01:56:27,560
skepticism

2742
01:56:31,510 --> 01:56:29,090
those are things I'm not really

2743
01:56:33,310 --> 01:56:31,520
interested in I I'm interested in sort

2744
01:56:35,800 --> 01:56:33,320
of nuts and bolts things things that can

2745
01:56:38,080 --> 01:56:35,810
be checked or not checked

2746
01:56:41,080 --> 01:56:38,090
and I think almost always you'll find me

2747
01:56:42,640 --> 01:56:41,090
if I'm arguing a point I'm arguing the

2748
01:56:45,850 --> 01:56:42,650
point of something that somebody's

2749
01:56:48,970 --> 01:56:45,860
claimed that could possibly be checked

2750
01:56:50,560 --> 01:56:48,980
or not checked and and and that's really

2751
01:56:52,180 --> 01:56:50,570
where I come from so I don't I don't

2752
01:56:54,940 --> 01:56:52,190
even know what those terms mean to tell

2753
01:56:56,650 --> 01:56:54,950
you the truth here's a here's a another

2754
01:56:58,540 --> 01:56:56,660
question from Paul to worst again whose

2755
01:57:01,870 --> 01:56:58,550
one or more are more active members on

2756
01:57:03,850 --> 01:57:01,880
the forum Lance have you ever had

2757
01:57:06,040 --> 01:57:03,860
anything happen to personally that made

2758
01:57:08,650 --> 01:57:06,050
you wonder if there maybe is something

2759
01:57:11,800 --> 01:57:08,660
to UFOs of the paranormal after all

2760
01:57:14,200 --> 01:57:11,810
something in your life I add you

2761
01:57:16,540 --> 01:57:14,210
couldn't satisfactorily explain even

2762
01:57:19,720 --> 01:57:16,550
after doing some research and Lance will

2763
01:57:21,970 --> 01:57:19,730
answer that question in a moment we want

2764
01:57:23,860 --> 01:57:21,980
to give you a reason to listen to the

2765
01:57:26,380 --> 01:57:23,870
next segment and to keep on listening

2766
01:57:34,440 --> 01:57:26,390
we have lance moody skeptic joining gene

2767
01:57:40,859 --> 01:57:38,149
[Music]

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well-received by critics and readers

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you'll never forget

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officer is haunted by intense dreams

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about a beautiful woman pleading for his

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and thrusts him into a telepathic love

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is intent on destroying the earth and

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like to hear from you if you have a

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comment or question about the para cat

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Senta to news at the para caste calm

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that's news at the para caste calm and

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don't forget to visit our famous para

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caste community forums at forum dot the

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para cast common I see Chris is

2872
02:02:06,850 --> 02:02:04,790
channeling his inner trickster so the

2873
02:02:09,190 --> 02:02:06,860
question was asked from our forum

2874
02:02:12,430 --> 02:02:09,200
members of forum dr parra caste calm of

2875
02:02:13,870 --> 02:02:12,440
lance moody yeah have you ever had

2876
02:02:17,290 --> 02:02:13,880
anything happened that made you scratch

2877
02:02:19,390 --> 02:02:17,300
your head and go that cannot be or what

2878
02:02:21,820 --> 02:02:19,400
was that light that just zigzags in the

2879
02:02:25,270 --> 02:02:21,830
sky in a non ballistic manner etc and

2880
02:02:27,040 --> 02:02:25,280
don't say who was that masked man well I

2881
02:02:29,080 --> 02:02:27,050
do remember I remember a couple of

2882
02:02:31,270 --> 02:02:29,090
things when I was a kid one of the

2883
02:02:35,890 --> 02:02:31,280
things that I I still remember it

2884
02:02:41,110 --> 02:02:35,900
clearly was being outside at night you

2885
02:02:44,260 --> 02:02:41,120
know dusk or or night and the Goodyear

2886
02:02:47,320 --> 02:02:44,270
blimp was coming over the a wooded area

2887
02:02:49,930 --> 02:02:47,330
away from my house and it had lights on

2888
02:02:52,300 --> 02:02:49,940
you know I blimps have these lights that

2889
02:02:54,460 --> 02:02:52,310
can do advertising symbols and stuff

2890
02:02:56,050 --> 02:02:54,470
like that I remember if when I first saw

2891
02:02:58,390 --> 02:02:56,060
that I did not know what the heck that

2892
02:03:00,580 --> 02:02:58,400
was just all I could see was the lights

2893
02:03:03,430 --> 02:03:00,590
I couldn't tell it was the blimp and

2894
02:03:05,950 --> 02:03:03,440
that is a really an awe-inspiring sight

2895
02:03:07,990 --> 02:03:05,960
and you see I think people maybe are

2896
02:03:12,160 --> 02:03:08,000
hardwired when they see something in the

2897
02:03:14,530 --> 02:03:12,170
sky maybe it's maybe it goes back to you

2898
02:03:16,990 --> 02:03:14,540
know the ancient days that that there's

2899
02:03:18,640 --> 02:03:17,000
this this all that takes place when you

2900
02:03:21,130 --> 02:03:18,650
see something that you don't understand

2901
02:03:22,930 --> 02:03:21,140
in the sky and I certainly felt that

2902
02:03:24,490 --> 02:03:22,940
then of course it wasn't an unexplained

2903
02:03:27,760 --> 02:03:24,500
thing because I immediately realized it

2904
02:03:32,950 --> 02:03:27,770
was a was a blimp now on a similar topic

2905
02:03:35,320 --> 02:03:32,960
I remember riding my bike and I was over

2906
02:03:37,570 --> 02:03:35,330
in an apartment complex and I looked up

2907
02:03:40,480 --> 02:03:37,580
in the sky and there was a thing that I

2908
02:03:42,610 --> 02:03:40,490
thought my mind tells me that I thought

2909
02:03:46,150 --> 02:03:42,620
it was like a window in the sky like a

2910
02:03:48,310 --> 02:03:46,160
just a very scary looking lit up window

2911
02:03:50,710 --> 02:03:48,320
in the sky and I didn't know what the

2912
02:03:52,270 --> 02:03:50,720
heck it was I kept driving my bike and I

2913
02:03:54,940 --> 02:03:52,280
drove around and I saw a group of people

2914
02:03:57,229 --> 02:03:54,950
that were at one of the in the parking

2915
02:04:00,320 --> 02:03:57,239
areas there at that apartment complex

2916
02:04:01,550 --> 02:04:00,330
and I drove up and and sort of asked him

2917
02:04:03,650 --> 02:04:01,560
what was going on they were all looking

2918
02:04:06,229 --> 02:04:03,660
at this thing too and it turns out that

2919
02:04:09,709 --> 02:04:06,239
they were doing that famous hoax thing

2920
02:04:12,470 --> 02:04:09,719
where you take a laundry bag and turn it

2921
02:04:15,680 --> 02:04:12,480
upside down and you put two basta wood

2922
02:04:17,450 --> 02:04:15,690
sticks crossed with each other at the

2923
02:04:19,760 --> 02:04:17,460
bottom of the bag and put candles on it

2924
02:04:22,220 --> 02:04:19,770
and light it up and it fills with hot

2925
02:04:23,660 --> 02:04:22,230
air and it floats in the sky if I hadn't

2926
02:04:26,209 --> 02:04:23,670
have come across those people I probably

2927
02:04:28,010 --> 02:04:26,219
would be telling you stuff about my UFO

2928
02:04:29,780 --> 02:04:28,020
encounter but I did come across those

2929
02:04:32,360 --> 02:04:29,790
people and I did get to understand what

2930
02:04:34,910 --> 02:04:32,370
it was but when I first saw it it was

2931
02:04:36,170 --> 02:04:34,920
something like if I was asked to later

2932
02:04:38,479 --> 02:04:36,180
explaining I wouldn't have been able to

2933
02:04:40,970 --> 02:04:38,489
explain it at all so the short answer is

2934
02:04:43,070 --> 02:04:40,980
no you haven't experienced in your life

2935
02:04:44,690 --> 02:04:43,080
that you couldn't explain I'm sorry I'm

2936
02:04:47,930 --> 02:04:44,700
sorry if those were boring stories but

2937
02:04:50,270 --> 02:04:47,940
yeah that's that's the case here's one

2938
02:04:52,100 --> 02:04:50,280
again from God God's Mackey who's asked

2939
02:04:55,100 --> 02:04:52,110
a number of very good questions here

2940
02:04:58,100 --> 02:04:55,110
what in your estimation are the top 3

2941
02:04:59,650 --> 02:04:58,110
mistakes that UFO enthusiasts and that's

2942
02:05:02,450 --> 02:04:59,660
kind of our operative word here

2943
02:05:04,520 --> 02:05:02,460
continually make and then he goes on to

2944
02:05:05,840 --> 02:05:04,530
say I mean what are the logical pitfalls

2945
02:05:09,140 --> 02:05:05,850
and traps that you feel they are

2946
02:05:13,070 --> 02:05:09,150
constantly walking into like a closed

2947
02:05:16,550 --> 02:05:13,080
door I might add yeah so like for

2948
02:05:18,500 --> 02:05:16,560
instance people of ascribe intelligence

2949
02:05:22,250 --> 02:05:18,510
to the things to lights they see in the

2950
02:05:24,110 --> 02:05:22,260
sky they estimate just a sort of a basic

2951
02:05:27,080 --> 02:05:24,120
thing but they they think they can

2952
02:05:28,100 --> 02:05:27,090
estimate size and distance for something

2953
02:05:30,500 --> 02:05:28,110
they see in the sky without any

2954
02:05:35,959 --> 02:05:30,510
reference when you're talking a

2955
02:05:37,790 --> 02:05:35,969
nighttime or daytime or both either a

2956
02:05:39,770 --> 02:05:37,800
daytime you know there's points or

2957
02:05:42,170 --> 02:05:39,780
reference you can get a sense it's kind

2958
02:05:45,740 --> 02:05:42,180
of hard to to miss something that in my

2959
02:05:47,750 --> 02:05:45,750
case in September 92 that flew not even

2960
02:05:50,510 --> 02:05:47,760
150 feet away from me in broad daylight

2961
02:05:53,750 --> 02:05:50,520
right across just feet off the road and

2962
02:05:55,520 --> 02:05:53,760
zipped out across a valley I was able I

2963
02:05:58,130 --> 02:05:55,530
was in the passenger seat was able to

2964
02:05:59,690 --> 02:05:58,140
you know get some binoculars on it it's

2965
02:06:01,610 --> 02:05:59,700
kind of hard not to be able to estimate

2966
02:06:04,490 --> 02:06:01,620
distance when it's on in 50 feet away

2967
02:06:07,580 --> 02:06:04,500
but but continue you know those kinds of

2968
02:06:10,520 --> 02:06:07,590
things or the or what I would what I

2969
02:06:10,850 --> 02:06:10,530
would say is that people let me let me

2970
02:06:12,709 --> 02:06:10,860
just

2971
02:06:14,959 --> 02:06:12,719
to tell you this with an example the

2972
02:06:17,209 --> 02:06:14,969
when those guys in Morristown New Jersey

2973
02:06:20,180 --> 02:06:17,219
did that horrible hoax they did when

2974
02:06:22,910 --> 02:06:20,190
they sent up some balloons with flares I

2975
02:06:24,169 --> 02:06:22,920
think there was a lot of witness there

2976
02:06:26,479 --> 02:06:24,179
were a lot of witnesses and there was a

2977
02:06:28,370 --> 02:06:26,489
lot of witness testimony the witnesses

2978
02:06:29,720 --> 02:06:28,380
did describe things that those balloons

2979
02:06:32,750 --> 02:06:29,730
could not have been doing

2980
02:06:34,850 --> 02:06:32,760
they described the balloon zooming off

2981
02:06:36,649 --> 02:06:34,860
they described them as being in

2982
02:06:38,629 --> 02:06:36,659
formation they described they describe

2983
02:06:41,020 --> 02:06:38,639
several things that could not have

2984
02:06:44,060 --> 02:06:41,030
actually happened with those balloons

2985
02:06:45,290 --> 02:06:44,070
and I don't agree with the idea of doing

2986
02:06:46,939 --> 02:06:45,300
the hoax in the first place

2987
02:06:50,660 --> 02:06:46,949
but that should tell you that people

2988
02:06:53,270 --> 02:06:50,670
aren't good at reporting what they see

2989
02:06:54,950 --> 02:06:53,280
they just aren't I mean there's that but

2990
02:06:56,930 --> 02:06:54,960
yeah witness testimony is often the

2991
02:06:58,459 --> 02:06:56,940
least reliable and and we've discussed

2992
02:07:00,590 --> 02:06:58,469
this many times as you know on the pair

2993
02:07:01,850 --> 02:07:00,600
of cast it's when you get groups of

2994
02:07:03,800 --> 02:07:01,860
people together that it gets really

2995
02:07:08,120 --> 02:07:03,810
interesting and those kinds of things

2996
02:07:10,430 --> 02:07:08,130
are rare the idea of UFOs should be

2997
02:07:13,340 --> 02:07:10,440
solved by now I mean that to me is

2998
02:07:16,160 --> 02:07:13,350
really the bottom line yeah wait wait a

2999
02:07:18,020 --> 02:07:16,170
minute why should it be solved if it has

3000
02:07:20,390 --> 02:07:18,030
a conventional explanation I would agree

3001
02:07:22,580 --> 02:07:20,400
with you but if it's something that is

3002
02:07:24,890 --> 02:07:22,590
still alien to us how would it be solved

3003
02:07:27,050 --> 02:07:24,900
I guess I should say if it can be solved

3004
02:07:29,270 --> 02:07:27,060
it should be solved you know arthur c

3005
02:07:32,840 --> 02:07:29,280
clarke was on Long John Neville's

3006
02:07:34,580 --> 02:07:32,850
program and talking about UFOs and Long

3007
02:07:36,620 --> 02:07:34,590
John asked him what he thought about him

3008
02:07:38,390 --> 02:07:36,630
and he said you know if there weren't so

3009
02:07:40,580 --> 02:07:38,400
many reports I would think there

3010
02:07:42,709 --> 02:07:40,590
probably was something to it but the

3011
02:07:44,510 --> 02:07:42,719
fact that there's so many reports and

3012
02:07:47,450 --> 02:07:44,520
that they don't ever coalesce into

3013
02:07:49,640 --> 02:07:47,460
anything tangible it anything that can

3014
02:07:52,370 --> 02:07:49,650
be studied that makes me think that it's

3015
02:07:56,030 --> 02:07:52,380
probably it's more along the lines of

3016
02:07:59,740 --> 02:07:56,040
and I'm paraphrasing him obviously more

3017
02:08:02,930 --> 02:07:59,750
along the lines of a social phenomenon a

3018
02:08:05,330 --> 02:08:02,940
social construct even if you consider

3019
02:08:07,459 --> 02:08:05,340
the fact that maybe 90 or 95 percent of

3020
02:08:08,899 --> 02:08:07,469
those cases are conventional now

3021
02:08:11,870 --> 02:08:08,909
allowing for the possibility that a

3022
02:08:14,000 --> 02:08:11,880
small number are not yeah exactly I mean

3023
02:08:16,070 --> 02:08:14,010
I think it's much easier I think I hear

3024
02:08:18,709 --> 02:08:16,080
that argument a lot but why would you go

3025
02:08:20,270 --> 02:08:18,719
in the direction of if you've got

3026
02:08:23,060 --> 02:08:20,280
something where you're able to throw

3027
02:08:24,260 --> 02:08:23,070
away 99% of the cases or whatever the

3028
02:08:27,190 --> 02:08:24,270
percentage is I think that purse

3029
02:08:30,260 --> 02:08:27,200
centage thing is sort of a misleading

3030
02:08:33,770 --> 02:08:30,270
number but yeah but wait a minute here

3031
02:08:34,400 --> 02:08:33,780
all you need is one real case to have a

3032
02:08:38,270 --> 02:08:34,410
mystery

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02:08:40,940 --> 02:08:38,280
fine you know said that what five I

3034
02:08:42,680 --> 02:08:40,950
think percent were true unknowns

3035
02:08:45,680 --> 02:08:42,690
well well here's an example for you

3036
02:08:48,260 --> 02:08:45,690
Lance I mean I I had a and still do have

3037
02:08:50,090 --> 02:08:48,270
an extensive network of sky watchers in

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02:08:52,520 --> 02:08:50,100
the San Luis Valley which I considered

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02:08:54,650 --> 02:08:52,530
to be a UFO hotspot if you will a

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02:08:57,530 --> 02:08:54,660
paranormal hotspot for that matter and

3041
02:09:00,440 --> 02:08:57,540
how can we have waves of activity with

3042
02:09:01,430 --> 02:09:00,450
as many as 1917 calls I think was my

3043
02:09:03,410 --> 02:09:01,440
record for one day

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02:09:05,090 --> 02:09:03,420
and then all of a sudden everything

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02:09:09,080 --> 02:09:05,100
drops off and you don't have a call for

3046
02:09:11,060 --> 02:09:09,090
months well I don't know I I don't have

3047
02:09:13,850 --> 02:09:11,070
an answers for your specific case I mean

3048
02:09:18,740 --> 02:09:13,860
I can tell you that you know the classic

3049
02:09:23,090 --> 02:09:18,750
example is the there was a zoo in I

3050
02:09:26,600 --> 02:09:23,100
believed in Mark and the zoo had a red

3051
02:09:28,760 --> 02:09:26,610
panda that escaped and they reported

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02:09:30,470 --> 02:09:28,770
this escape to the newspapers the

3053
02:09:32,930 --> 02:09:30,480
newspapers published this along with the

3054
02:09:34,610 --> 02:09:32,940
description of the animal people began

3055
02:09:36,890 --> 02:09:34,620
to see the animal all over the place

3056
02:09:39,290 --> 02:09:36,900
they began reporting the animal over and

3057
02:09:42,740 --> 02:09:39,300
over again there are no red panda pandas

3058
02:09:45,980 --> 02:09:42,750
I might add in in wherever the SWA's

3059
02:09:47,660 --> 02:09:45,990
Denmark but it but it was subsequently

3060
02:09:49,280 --> 02:09:47,670
found that the Panda was killed very

3061
02:09:51,410 --> 02:09:49,290
near the zoo it was killed in a railroad

3062
02:09:54,020 --> 02:09:51,420
track very near the zoo very soon after

3063
02:09:55,820 --> 02:09:54,030
it had escaped the reports continued

3064
02:09:58,940 --> 02:09:55,830
until the newspaper finally reported

3065
02:10:00,650 --> 02:09:58,950
that the Panda had been found people

3066
02:10:02,210 --> 02:10:00,660
weren't seeing a red panda but they were

3067
02:10:05,000 --> 02:10:02,220
claiming that they were seeing a red

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02:10:07,910 --> 02:10:05,010
panda more you're saying that if

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something unusual is reported it's gonna

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be like sympathy pains other people will

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see it gets involved yeah I mean not

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that obviously if lance moody skeptic

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3178
02:15:12,010 --> 02:15:09,170
something strange and then lots of

3179
02:15:15,130 --> 02:15:12,020
people see it and you wonder is it just

3180
02:15:16,930 --> 02:15:15,140
mob rule or what well it's a media as

3181
02:15:20,550 --> 02:15:16,940
soon as the media gets involved then

3182
02:15:23,140 --> 02:15:20,560
people you know become aware or are

3183
02:15:25,300 --> 02:15:23,150
motivated to be more aware of their

3184
02:15:26,920 --> 02:15:25,310
surroundings and maybe are excited that

3185
02:15:29,890 --> 02:15:26,930
maybe they're gonna see something too

3186
02:15:32,830 --> 02:15:29,900
and then you Det do you see a spike in

3187
02:15:33,250 --> 02:15:32,840
in you know reports and that sort of

3188
02:15:35,110 --> 02:15:33,260
thing

3189
02:15:38,020 --> 02:15:35,120
the same holds true in the cattle

3190
02:15:41,530 --> 02:15:38,030
mutilation phenomenon after you know you

3191
02:15:44,290 --> 02:15:41,540
have a high strange case or two and it

3192
02:15:45,880 --> 02:15:44,300
hits the papers or you know makes the

3193
02:15:48,729 --> 02:15:45,890
rounds of the rumor mill of the ranching

3194
02:15:52,000 --> 02:15:48,739
community and and then does have some

3195
02:15:54,310 --> 02:15:52,010
press is some ink is spent on it then

3196
02:15:57,190 --> 02:15:54,320
every dead cow seen by an untrained

3197
02:16:00,490 --> 02:15:57,200
amateur eye appears to be mutilated and

3198
02:16:02,080 --> 02:16:00,500
believe me I put 300 thousand miles on

3199
02:16:03,940 --> 02:16:02,090
my truck in six years chasing around

3200
02:16:05,830 --> 02:16:03,950
after case I mean I drive an hour and a

3201
02:16:06,850 --> 02:16:05,840
half and get to a case and go Mike what

3202
02:16:11,680 --> 02:16:06,860
am I doing here

3203
02:16:14,080 --> 02:16:11,690
you know so there is that kind of

3204
02:16:16,900 --> 02:16:14,090
snowball rolling down the hill I think a

3205
02:16:18,880 --> 02:16:16,910
fact that you're gonna you're gonna just

3206
02:16:21,460 --> 02:16:18,890
it's built into the scenario as soon as

3207
02:16:23,350 --> 02:16:21,470
the media gets that word out that's why

3208
02:16:26,560 --> 02:16:23,360
I think it's important for investigators

3209
02:16:28,330 --> 02:16:26,570
to not immediately go to the media I

3210
02:16:30,400 --> 02:16:28,340
mean I could start naming some names

3211
02:16:32,589 --> 02:16:30,410
here of investigators that do this

3212
02:16:35,169 --> 02:16:32,599
because as soon as the media gets

3213
02:16:36,910 --> 02:16:35,179
involved and starts propagating you know

3214
02:16:39,490 --> 02:16:36,920
you're a particular pet theory out there

3215
02:16:42,430 --> 02:16:39,500
then that's gonna create potentially a

3216
02:16:45,100 --> 02:16:42,440
lot of time wasting so I think it's

3217
02:16:47,620 --> 02:16:45,110
important the scientific method is Lance

3218
02:16:49,570 --> 02:16:47,630
you know and other skeptics are

3219
02:16:50,530 --> 02:16:49,580
continuously banging us over the head to

3220
02:16:53,410 --> 02:16:50,540
remember

3221
02:16:56,290 --> 02:16:53,420
is a point well taken we need to get all

3222
02:16:59,080 --> 02:16:56,300
the information we need to do all the

3223
02:17:01,629 --> 02:16:59,090
serious field research in investigative

3224
02:17:05,140 --> 02:17:01,639
work and even the analytical work before

3225
02:17:07,990 --> 02:17:05,150
we start to trumpet whatever case we're

3226
02:17:11,290 --> 02:17:08,000
really jazzed by and all that and in

3227
02:17:13,510 --> 02:17:11,300
early on I was I know I was guilty of

3228
02:17:15,430 --> 02:17:13,520
this before you know I quickly learned

3229
02:17:17,830 --> 02:17:15,440
better you know and then learn that that

3230
02:17:20,230 --> 02:17:17,840
was just gonna make more ridiculous

3231
02:17:22,660 --> 02:17:20,240
time-wasting work for myself so it's a

3232
02:17:25,360 --> 02:17:22,670
pointless recent this recent story about

3233
02:17:27,220 --> 02:17:25,370
this supposed to Bigfoot DNA sequencing

3234
02:17:29,230 --> 02:17:27,230
as a perfect example

3235
02:17:31,629 --> 02:17:29,240
nothing has been revealed there is no

3236
02:17:33,669 --> 02:17:31,639
story at the moment and yet I heard a

3237
02:17:35,709 --> 02:17:33,679
guy on the pair of cast of a week or two

3238
02:17:38,290 --> 02:17:35,719
ago talking about all the things that

3239
02:17:41,020 --> 02:17:38,300
were gonna happen that not only has

3240
02:17:43,510 --> 02:17:41,030
there been no actual paper released but

3241
02:17:46,980 --> 02:17:43,520
I've heard from other people actual

3242
02:17:50,740 --> 02:17:46,990
actual doctors who you know their job is

3243
02:17:53,589 --> 02:17:50,750
sequencing primate DNA this was on the

3244
02:17:55,510 --> 02:17:53,599
show called monster talk this guy you

3245
02:17:58,270 --> 02:17:55,520
know he made it very clear that not only

3246
02:18:00,070 --> 02:17:58,280
not only is there no story yet but that

3247
02:18:02,290 --> 02:18:00,080
the the press release that's been put

3248
02:18:03,669 --> 02:18:02,300
out is nonsensical it doesn't it doesn't

3249
02:18:05,799 --> 02:18:03,679
even make sense to a person who's

3250
02:18:08,530 --> 02:18:05,809
actually trained in that I hope they

3251
02:18:10,720 --> 02:18:08,540
didn't use the word angel DNA as has

3252
02:18:13,480 --> 02:18:10,730
been claimed in the paper because boy

3253
02:18:15,669 --> 02:18:13,490
that's not gonna get any peer review at

3254
02:18:18,580 --> 02:18:15,679
all there's no chance with and the the

3255
02:18:20,620 --> 02:18:18,590
idea of this this lady who my

3256
02:18:23,169 --> 02:18:20,630
understanding is that she has seen

3257
02:18:25,570 --> 02:18:23,179
Bigfoot but been ordered not to take

3258
02:18:28,120 --> 02:18:25,580
photographs of them that she's I don't

3259
02:18:31,540 --> 02:18:28,130
know house somehow communicated with big

3260
02:18:33,730 --> 02:18:31,550
big feet Bigfoot's to me it's such a

3261
02:18:35,260 --> 02:18:33,740
silly story and would you would you

3262
02:18:38,560 --> 02:18:35,270
really want to get your information

3263
02:18:41,589 --> 02:18:38,570
about Bigfoot from a veterinarian who

3264
02:18:45,250 --> 02:18:41,599
uses DNA to establish the breed of dogs

3265
02:18:48,370 --> 02:18:45,260
that's her use of DNA or from a guy that

3266
02:18:50,589 --> 02:18:48,380
does that is the premier researcher in

3267
02:18:53,530 --> 02:18:50,599
that field which is this tall I believe

3268
02:18:55,740 --> 02:18:53,540
his name is Todd just so tell desoto you

3269
02:18:59,410 --> 02:18:55,750
know to me it's just amazing that people

3270
02:19:00,490 --> 02:18:59,420
even macness is one of the things that

3271
02:19:03,190 --> 02:19:00,500
maybe people complain about about

3272
02:19:03,639 --> 02:19:03,200
skeptics is that yes you know often I

3273
02:19:05,199 --> 02:19:03,649
have

3274
02:19:07,029 --> 02:19:05,209
like a very negative reaction to

3275
02:19:08,739 --> 02:19:07,039
something something maybe that you say

3276
02:19:11,589 --> 02:19:08,749
for instance no I think you're kind of

3277
02:19:14,649 --> 02:19:11,599
understating that a little bit but but

3278
02:19:17,349 --> 02:19:14,659
the reason the reason is that I've seen

3279
02:19:20,769 --> 02:19:17,359
it so many times before I think I earned

3280
02:19:23,109 --> 02:19:20,779
my annoyance by the fact that this these

3281
02:19:24,489 --> 02:19:23,119
Bigfoot this Bigfoot story I've seen 10

3282
02:19:25,899 --> 02:19:24,499
different Bigfoot stories that are

3283
02:19:28,509 --> 02:19:25,909
similar like the guys that had the

3284
02:19:32,580 --> 02:19:28,519
supposed frozen Bigfoot in their in

3285
02:19:35,589 --> 02:19:32,590
their own freezer and on for a while

3286
02:19:38,259 --> 02:19:35,599
yeah these things are just so dumb and

3287
02:19:41,769 --> 02:19:38,269
and and in particular this Ketcham thing

3288
02:19:43,540 --> 02:19:41,779
it is idiotic it's not a story it's dumb

3289
02:19:46,299 --> 02:19:43,550
and I don't know why it gets attention

3290
02:19:47,859 --> 02:19:46,309
it's annoying to me that it does and it

3291
02:19:49,239 --> 02:19:47,869
because it's not scientific it's not how

3292
02:19:50,889 --> 02:19:49,249
science is done it has nothing to do

3293
02:19:54,250 --> 02:19:50,899
with science well you see here's the

3294
02:19:56,439 --> 02:19:54,260
point here if and when an actual report

3295
02:19:58,389 --> 02:19:56,449
comes out if and when it has peer review

3296
02:20:00,639 --> 02:19:58,399
whatever if and when you can actually

3297
02:20:01,330 --> 02:20:00,649
look at some documentation to see what

3298
02:20:02,649 --> 02:20:01,340
it's all about

3299
02:20:04,569 --> 02:20:02,659
then I think it's fair to talk about

3300
02:20:06,609 --> 02:20:04,579
right now we're just whistling in the

3301
02:20:08,920 --> 02:20:06,619
dark another question Chris here's

3302
02:20:11,859 --> 02:20:08,930
another one from GOG smacky

3303
02:20:14,109 --> 02:20:11,869
it's a it's a good question I think have

3304
02:20:17,229 --> 02:20:14,119
you ever disagreed with other skeptics

3305
02:20:19,929 --> 02:20:17,239
and I'm kind of paraphrasing a long

3306
02:20:22,300 --> 02:20:19,939
question but do you think the skeptical

3307
02:20:23,739 --> 02:20:22,310
community is always honest do you think

3308
02:20:25,899 --> 02:20:23,749
that there are some people that are out

3309
02:20:28,779 --> 02:20:25,909
there possibly twisting things a little

3310
02:20:31,659 --> 02:20:28,789
bit to make a point or do you think all

3311
02:20:34,809 --> 02:20:31,669
you guys out there are just straight

3312
02:20:37,960 --> 02:20:34,819
ahead straight shooters that are not you

3313
02:20:40,149 --> 02:20:37,970
know ignoring certain let's say telltale

3314
02:20:42,489 --> 02:20:40,159
evidence that sort of thing for instance

3315
02:20:44,500 --> 02:20:42,499
in the skinwalker ranch case I haven't

3316
02:20:46,659 --> 02:20:44,510
seen the skeptics really take on the

3317
02:20:48,790 --> 02:20:46,669
National Institute of Discovery Sciences

3318
02:20:51,130 --> 02:20:48,800
and world class science that supposedly

3319
02:20:56,349 --> 02:20:51,140
was occurring up at that ranch for a

3320
02:20:58,269 --> 02:20:56,359
decade do you think that there is maybe

3321
02:20:59,920 --> 02:20:58,279
a little bit of confabulation and

3322
02:21:01,779 --> 02:20:59,930
twisting of stuff in the skeptical

3323
02:21:02,830 --> 02:21:01,789
community well as to the question of

3324
02:21:05,250 --> 02:21:02,840
whether or not we disagree with each

3325
02:21:07,659 --> 02:21:05,260
other yeah I think that does happen it's

3326
02:21:09,340 --> 02:21:07,669
frequently I came across people in the

3327
02:21:11,979 --> 02:21:09,350
skeptical group that this local

3328
02:21:14,080 --> 02:21:11,989
skeptical group who they weren't to my

3329
02:21:16,841 --> 02:21:14,090
mind skeptics because they might have

3330
02:21:18,640 --> 02:21:16,851
been skeptical in one particular sub

3331
02:21:20,051 --> 02:21:18,650
but they weren't skeptical about you

3332
02:21:21,821 --> 02:21:20,061
know you know maybe they they agreed

3333
02:21:23,201 --> 02:21:21,831
with me on UFOs but they had a ghost

3334
02:21:25,781 --> 02:21:23,211
story to tell me here's something like

3335
02:21:31,321 --> 02:21:25,791
that so yeah I don't know if there is

3336
02:21:34,121 --> 02:21:31,331
really like you know an actual

3337
02:21:37,390 --> 02:21:34,131
skepticism a specimen that is that is a

3338
02:21:39,761 --> 02:21:37,400
skeptic right but but I try to be a

3339
02:21:43,331 --> 02:21:39,771
skeptic and I hope I hope that I am an

3340
02:21:47,650 --> 02:21:43,341
open I hope that I've you know tried to

3341
02:21:50,261 --> 02:21:47,660
use the the techniques of the the tenets

3342
02:21:52,961 --> 02:21:50,271
of skepticism and what I do I don't know

3343
02:21:55,270 --> 02:21:52,971
that I'm always successful but you know

3344
02:21:56,770 --> 02:21:55,280
that's I think there's there's as many

3345
02:21:59,291 --> 02:21:56,780
different kinds of skeptics as there are

3346
02:22:01,301 --> 02:21:59,301
different people yeah I think that's a

3347
02:22:04,211 --> 02:22:01,311
good answer and I think Jean would agree

3348
02:22:06,011 --> 02:22:04,221
with me on that okay well there's a

3349
02:22:07,690 --> 02:22:06,021
bunch of stuff here about nine nine

3350
02:22:13,961 --> 02:22:07,700
eleven I don't want to get into any of

3351
02:22:16,451 --> 02:22:13,971
that it's to me it's just it's really an

3352
02:22:18,791 --> 02:22:16,461
unfortunate state of events that

3353
02:22:21,371 --> 02:22:18,801
happened to our country uh Lance this

3354
02:22:23,951 --> 02:22:21,381
comes from Boomerang he again is one of

3355
02:22:28,091 --> 02:22:23,961
our more active participants at forum dr

3356
02:22:31,091 --> 02:22:28,101
parra cast comm and he can't actually

3357
02:22:33,190 --> 02:22:31,101
reference the exact quote but he says no

3358
02:22:35,711 --> 02:22:33,200
less than the late admiral nor lord

3359
02:22:37,900 --> 02:22:35,721
he'll Norton has gone on public record

3360
02:22:40,541 --> 02:22:37,910
stating that the Rendlesham incident can

3361
02:22:42,091 --> 02:22:40,551
only have one of t general explanations

3362
02:22:44,591 --> 02:22:42,101
either something truly extraordinary

3363
02:22:46,930 --> 02:22:44,601
happened in the forest in December

3364
02:22:48,761 --> 02:22:46,940
eighty or dozens of highly trained and

3365
02:22:52,331 --> 02:22:48,771
responsible American Air Force personnel

3366
02:22:54,341 --> 02:22:52,341
were somehow dysfunctional what did you

3367
02:22:56,470 --> 02:22:54,351
take on this particular incident and

3368
02:22:59,140 --> 02:22:56,480
many others like it involving highly

3369
02:23:02,711 --> 02:22:59,150
credible personnel reporting incredible

3370
02:23:05,381 --> 02:23:02,721
events well I'm not an expert on the

3371
02:23:07,720 --> 02:23:05,391
Rendlesham case but but I would just say

3372
02:23:10,631 --> 02:23:07,730
that what I've read about it it's it's

3373
02:23:12,970 --> 02:23:10,641
not dozens of people involved first off

3374
02:23:16,331 --> 02:23:12,980
it's it's it's just a very small number

3375
02:23:18,071 --> 02:23:16,341
of people and their story is their story

3376
02:23:20,621 --> 02:23:18,081
is consistent with what some of the

3377
02:23:23,020 --> 02:23:20,631
skeptics have have proposed which was

3378
02:23:27,520 --> 02:23:23,030
you know it has to it involves that that

3379
02:23:30,030 --> 02:23:27,530
lighthouse it involves lands that that's

3380
02:23:32,280 --> 02:23:30,040
where I think that effectively that

3381
02:23:34,800 --> 02:23:32,290
bunkin has been debunk there's no way

3382
02:23:36,750 --> 02:23:34,810
that that lighthouse and even taking

3383
02:23:39,750 --> 02:23:36,760
into account the amount of growth in the

3384
02:23:41,820 --> 02:23:39,760
trees since 80 its I think it's been

3385
02:23:43,530 --> 02:23:41,830
pretty well determined that that

3386
02:23:45,630 --> 02:23:43,540
couldn't be an explanation because the

3387
02:23:48,450 --> 02:23:45,640
White House didn't even go around in its

3388
02:23:50,250 --> 02:23:48,460
revolution that that far so I mean but

3389
02:23:51,900 --> 02:23:50,260
continue I've seen a video of that

3390
02:23:53,790 --> 02:23:51,910
lighthouse that you can see it from the

3391
02:23:57,810 --> 02:23:53,800
position that the men were supposedly in

3392
02:24:01,200 --> 02:23:57,820
you know it's yeah but the guy house

3393
02:24:02,700 --> 02:24:01,210
every every patrol I mean it's not like

3394
02:24:04,200 --> 02:24:02,710
they were there for the first time and

3395
02:24:06,540 --> 02:24:04,210
it was a standalone event

3396
02:24:09,030 --> 02:24:06,550
I agree here I mean after seeing this

3397
02:24:10,530 --> 02:24:09,040
over and over again day after day night

3398
02:24:13,200 --> 02:24:10,540
after night do you think they'd

3399
02:24:15,090 --> 02:24:13,210
recognize it so here we go more

3400
02:24:17,790 --> 02:24:15,100
standalone events coming up with lance

3401
02:24:19,680 --> 02:24:17,800
moody and gene and Chris you're in the

3402
02:24:26,690 --> 02:24:19,690
para cast

3403
02:24:30,810 --> 02:24:28,591
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gets

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believe me we have lance Moody joining

3506
02:28:59,870 --> 02:28:59,010
gian and Chris on the power cast and

3507
02:29:03,440 --> 02:28:59,880
we're talking about Rendlesham forest

3508
02:29:05,780 --> 02:29:03,450
and whether a lighthouse may have been

3509
02:29:06,830 --> 02:29:05,790
at least partly responsible Chris you

3510
02:29:08,930 --> 02:29:06,840
want to pick up on then we'll have

3511
02:29:11,090 --> 02:29:08,940
Lance's response well again you know i

3512
02:29:13,580 --> 02:29:11,100
mean i'm i'm just reading questions here

3513
02:29:15,170 --> 02:29:13,590
I mean Rendlesham to me is is a very

3514
02:29:16,850 --> 02:29:15,180
interesting case I'm not convinced one

3515
02:29:19,970 --> 02:29:16,860
way or another I think there been

3516
02:29:21,710 --> 02:29:19,980
information over the years similar to

3517
02:29:23,930 --> 02:29:21,720
your description of Ralph's ring the

3518
02:29:27,910 --> 02:29:23,940
things have kind of grown a little bit I

3519
02:29:31,900 --> 02:29:27,920
think over the years but I do agree with

3520
02:29:35,210 --> 02:29:31,910
boomerang this is a important case and

3521
02:29:37,011 --> 02:29:35,220
when an admiral goes on record saying

3522
02:29:39,200 --> 02:29:37,021
hey either these guys are dysfunctional

3523
02:29:41,240 --> 02:29:39,210
or something something truly strange

3524
02:29:43,640 --> 02:29:41,250
happened there I mean you know this

3525
02:29:46,100 --> 02:29:43,650
whole skeptical argument that a

3526
02:29:48,340 --> 02:29:46,110
lighthouse that's there every night is

3527
02:29:51,500 --> 02:29:48,350
now all of a sudden going to be

3528
02:29:53,060 --> 02:29:51,510
responsible for an event that of this of

3529
02:29:55,070 --> 02:29:53,070
this nature and we do have very good

3530
02:29:57,920 --> 02:29:55,080
documentation we have audio recordings

3531
02:29:59,540 --> 02:29:57,930
we've we've got you know Charles halt

3532
02:30:02,920 --> 02:29:59,550
and other people that have come forward

3533
02:30:06,890 --> 02:30:02,930
are there any cases Lance that you feel

3534
02:30:08,720 --> 02:30:06,900
could possibly be the real deal let me

3535
02:30:10,940 --> 02:30:08,730
just say that first off on Rendlesham I

3536
02:30:12,350 --> 02:30:10,950
you know I'm not up to I don't have the

3537
02:30:14,511 --> 02:30:12,360
facts in front of me I'd be happy to

3538
02:30:16,840 --> 02:30:14,521
talk about it and I have read about it

3539
02:30:20,150 --> 02:30:16,850
and know more about it but I can't just

3540
02:30:23,660 --> 02:30:20,160
just bring it to mind at the moment the

3541
02:30:25,460 --> 02:30:23,670
as far as cases that I have cases that I

3542
02:30:28,840 --> 02:30:25,470
think are really interesting none that I

3543
02:30:32,019 --> 02:30:28,850
think are unexplainable

3544
02:30:35,200 --> 02:30:32,029
you know I love the Valenta case I love

3545
02:30:39,189 --> 02:30:35,210
the the Trent photos I think all these

3546
02:30:41,590 --> 02:30:39,199
things are cool I love the Heflin photos

3547
02:30:43,210 --> 02:30:41,600
but that doesn't mean I don't think that

3548
02:30:46,990 --> 02:30:43,220
they're they can be explained

3549
02:30:49,210 --> 02:30:47,000
conventionally okay well um so in other

3550
02:30:50,979 --> 02:30:49,220
words what you're basically saying and

3551
02:30:53,530 --> 02:30:50,989
what I'm hearing here Jean correct me if

3552
02:30:55,840 --> 02:30:53,540
I'm wrong is that everything that is

3553
02:30:59,830 --> 02:30:55,850
claimed to be some sort of unusual

3554
02:31:00,460 --> 02:30:59,840
unexplained paranormal type event can be

3555
02:31:02,710 --> 02:31:00,470
explained

3556
02:31:05,200 --> 02:31:02,720
you say no none of this stuff you know

3557
02:31:07,359 --> 02:31:05,210
I'm not saying it's something to what

3558
02:31:09,519 --> 02:31:07,369
want you correct me and and sure I mean

3559
02:31:11,229 --> 02:31:09,529
you're thinking on this sure some things

3560
02:31:13,269 --> 02:31:11,239
can't be explained because we just don't

3561
02:31:17,320 --> 02:31:13,279
have the data we're not ever gonna have

3562
02:31:18,580 --> 02:31:17,330
the data so I my belief is that they

3563
02:31:20,080 --> 02:31:18,590
probably could be explained

3564
02:31:22,929 --> 02:31:20,090
conventionally but we don't have enough

3565
02:31:24,399 --> 02:31:22,939
data to do so so so that that's a

3566
02:31:26,019 --> 02:31:24,409
difference than me saying that they just

3567
02:31:27,760 --> 02:31:26,029
can't date you know they can all be

3568
02:31:30,040 --> 02:31:27,770
explained because that that's not that's

3569
02:31:32,649 --> 02:31:30,050
not the truth what I'm saying is that I

3570
02:31:36,719 --> 02:31:32,659
I know of no case for which the evidence

3571
02:31:39,280 --> 02:31:36,729
is compelling to indicate a paranormal

3572
02:31:41,710 --> 02:31:39,290
source and yet and you know one of the

3573
02:31:44,559 --> 02:31:41,720
things that I think UFO believers and

3574
02:31:46,479 --> 02:31:44,569
UFO proponents should think about is the

3575
02:31:48,910 --> 02:31:46,489
fact that whenever these collections of

3576
02:31:51,460 --> 02:31:48,920
the best cases are collected like the

3577
02:31:54,040 --> 02:31:51,470
ten best cases or whatever you know most

3578
02:31:57,160 --> 02:31:54,050
of those cases all have most of those

3579
02:31:59,500 --> 02:31:57,170
cases have problems of some kind they're

3580
02:32:01,149 --> 02:31:59,510
not great cases there there's you know

3581
02:32:04,630 --> 02:32:01,159
there's problems with the trench photos

3582
02:32:06,070 --> 02:32:04,640
there's problems with the are b-47

3583
02:32:08,109 --> 02:32:06,080
there's there's problems with any of

3584
02:32:10,240 --> 02:32:08,119
with all the cases that are considered

3585
02:32:12,370 --> 02:32:10,250
the best cases and if your best cases

3586
02:32:14,830 --> 02:32:12,380
have problems shouldn't that give you a

3587
02:32:17,800 --> 02:32:14,840
room for thought lands you know again it

3588
02:32:18,609 --> 02:32:17,810
comes down to to your definition of

3589
02:32:21,490 --> 02:32:18,619
problems

3590
02:32:23,620 --> 02:32:21,500
what about how up to speed are you on

3591
02:32:26,559 --> 02:32:23,630
the Sherman Ranch case and and not

3592
02:32:28,540 --> 02:32:26,569
documentation of of one camera of

3593
02:32:30,910 --> 02:32:28,550
filming another camera while wires are

3594
02:32:33,219 --> 02:32:30,920
ripped out on camera and there's no

3595
02:32:35,679 --> 02:32:33,229
evidence of that visually where is that

3596
02:32:38,229 --> 02:32:35,689
this is a world-class team of scientists

3597
02:32:40,780 --> 02:32:38,239
who now we're not talking you know Matt

3598
02:32:42,579 --> 02:32:40,790
moneymaker banging on a tree in the

3599
02:32:44,199 --> 02:32:42,589
woods and making howling noises

3600
02:32:46,929 --> 02:32:44,209
I don't know about that case where can I

3601
02:32:48,639 --> 02:32:46,939
see that video you can go to hunt for

3602
02:32:50,800 --> 02:32:48,649
the skinwalker and then you can go ahead

3603
02:32:56,289 --> 02:32:50,810
and put a request in to Robert Bigelow

3604
02:32:59,319 --> 02:32:56,299
and and maybe kind of the video have you

3605
02:33:02,590 --> 02:32:59,329
seen the video I believe this story I

3606
02:33:06,789 --> 02:33:02,600
have not seen the video well I think the

3607
02:33:09,189 --> 02:33:06,799
problem Chris Lantz the problem is this

3608
02:33:12,039 --> 02:33:09,199
that we have a billionaire that has

3609
02:33:16,569 --> 02:33:12,049
hired a world-class team of scientists

3610
02:33:19,059 --> 02:33:16,579
to do quality cutting-edge research and

3611
02:33:22,090 --> 02:33:19,069
investigation and then totally keeping

3612
02:33:24,670 --> 02:33:22,100
all that data to himself so are you

3613
02:33:27,399 --> 02:33:24,680
suggesting that the comb Kelleher a I

3614
02:33:29,769 --> 02:33:27,409
think he's got a PhD in microbiology the

3615
02:33:31,569 --> 02:33:29,779
managing director and George Knapp you

3616
02:33:33,849 --> 02:33:31,579
know I mean Las Vegas is top

3617
02:33:36,010 --> 02:33:33,859
investigative reporter broke the area 51

3618
02:33:37,359 --> 02:33:36,020
story back in the 80s blah blah blah so

3619
02:33:39,550 --> 02:33:37,369
you think that we're just giving us a

3620
02:33:41,079 --> 02:33:39,560
small job or as well you know that you

3621
02:33:42,729 --> 02:33:41,089
think they're giving us the snow job I

3622
02:33:44,139 --> 02:33:42,739
don't know what they're giving us but

3623
02:33:46,389 --> 02:33:44,149
I'm telling you that if you haven't seen

3624
02:33:48,279 --> 02:33:46,399
the evidence you shouldn't say that you

3625
02:33:50,710 --> 02:33:48,289
shouldn't just blindly support the

3626
02:33:52,269 --> 02:33:50,720
evidence so a lot of times like for

3627
02:33:54,309 --> 02:33:52,279
instance Ted Phillips was on your

3628
02:33:56,920 --> 02:33:54,319
program and he talked all over and over

3629
02:33:59,920 --> 02:33:56,930
about how great this photograph he had

3630
02:34:01,719 --> 02:33:59,930
of this huge dog like wolf like gigantic

3631
02:34:04,750 --> 02:34:01,729
thing that he'd taken a picture of was

3632
02:34:06,550 --> 02:34:04,760
he talked about it for at length and

3633
02:34:08,289 --> 02:34:06,560
then promised to give us the picture

3634
02:34:09,699 --> 02:34:08,299
when we finally got the picture it was

3635
02:34:12,760 --> 02:34:09,709
nothing of the sort it was it was a

3636
02:34:14,019 --> 02:34:12,770
ridiculous thing a blob Squatch yeah and

3637
02:34:16,269 --> 02:34:14,029
that's what I'm that's what I'm getting

3638
02:34:18,880 --> 02:34:16,279
that why would you say that because

3639
02:34:20,380 --> 02:34:18,890
people people do they exaggerate these

3640
02:34:22,569 --> 02:34:20,390
things they particularly they're writing

3641
02:34:25,029 --> 02:34:22,579
books you know this a world-class

3642
02:34:26,469 --> 02:34:25,039
scientists exaggerate well you're using

3643
02:34:27,849 --> 02:34:26,479
the term world-class science I don't

3644
02:34:30,219 --> 02:34:27,859
know who he is or who you're talking

3645
02:34:32,409 --> 02:34:30,229
about but D well Eric Davis kicked green

3646
02:34:34,359 --> 02:34:32,419
I mean there was some very good

3647
02:34:35,769 --> 02:34:34,369
scientists involved with nits I you know

3648
02:34:38,079 --> 02:34:35,779
maybe you should do a little research on

3649
02:34:41,469 --> 02:34:38,089
that because Bigelow had deep pockets

3650
02:34:44,079 --> 02:34:41,479
and he made sure he had over qualified

3651
02:34:45,819 --> 02:34:44,089
people involved how about the case of

3652
02:34:47,529 --> 02:34:45,829
the cat calf mutilation that happened

3653
02:34:50,529 --> 02:34:47,539
allegedly in broad daylight

3654
02:34:53,170 --> 02:34:50,539
the rancher and his wife were 300 to 400

3655
02:34:55,840 --> 02:34:53,180
yards away they had just inspected the

3656
02:34:56,200 --> 02:34:55,850
newborn calf walked to inspect the next

3657
02:35:00,130 --> 02:34:56,210
calf

3658
02:35:02,560 --> 02:35:00,140
been mutilated immediately Bigelow

3659
02:35:04,570 --> 02:35:02,570
dispatched a veterinary pathologist and

3660
02:35:07,300 --> 02:35:04,580
a team of investigators that went up to

3661
02:35:09,370 --> 02:35:07,310
the ranch and documented the seen I have

3662
02:35:13,300 --> 02:35:09,380
seen photographs of that particular case

3663
02:35:14,920 --> 02:35:13,310
and read pretty detailed descriptions of

3664
02:35:16,120 --> 02:35:14,930
the actual necropsy and other things

3665
02:35:17,950 --> 02:35:16,130
that were taking place how do you

3666
02:35:19,120 --> 02:35:17,960
explain something like that well I mean

3667
02:35:21,730 --> 02:35:19,130
I don't know anything about it so how

3668
02:35:23,170 --> 02:35:21,740
can I explain you know I have no

3669
02:35:25,620 --> 02:35:23,180
knowledge of it whatsoever there are

3670
02:35:29,800 --> 02:35:25,630
cases Lance believe it or not that would

3671
02:35:31,960 --> 02:35:29,810
make me sit up and go hmm and you know

3672
02:35:34,150 --> 02:35:31,970
every case that's out there I mean

3673
02:35:36,760 --> 02:35:34,160
obviously nine out of ten there's gonna

3674
02:35:40,510 --> 02:35:36,770
be some plausible deniability we're

3675
02:35:42,310 --> 02:35:40,520
gonna have some wiggle factor but there

3676
02:35:45,150 --> 02:35:42,320
it seems like it seems like whenever

3677
02:35:48,040 --> 02:35:45,160
there's supposedly this this convincing

3678
02:35:50,230 --> 02:35:48,050
data this convincing video for instance

3679
02:35:52,030 --> 02:35:50,240
it never seems to quite be available

3680
02:35:54,219 --> 02:35:52,040
yeah it's same thing with your friend

3681
02:35:56,500 --> 02:35:54,229
race Stanford he supposedly has this

3682
02:35:58,900 --> 02:35:56,510
fantastic video and yet no one can see

3683
02:36:01,240 --> 02:35:58,910
it and that this this is single a tango

3684
02:36:04,420 --> 02:36:01,250
Lance he has he has actual analog films

3685
02:36:05,860 --> 02:36:04,430
right his films filmed supposedly so

3686
02:36:07,990 --> 02:36:05,870
close that you could see inside the

3687
02:36:10,540 --> 02:36:08,000
flying saucers I've seen stills from

3688
02:36:13,710 --> 02:36:10,550
those by the way right but no one else

3689
02:36:16,480 --> 02:36:13,720
has no one is not out for anyone else to

3690
02:36:19,030 --> 02:36:16,490
analyze to look at and and we were just

3691
02:36:20,770 --> 02:36:19,040
talking about releasing information to

3692
02:36:23,170 --> 02:36:20,780
the public in the media and how that is

3693
02:36:25,900 --> 02:36:23,180
is really a no-no and you need to do all

3694
02:36:27,850 --> 02:36:25,910
your scientific dotting of the i's and

3695
02:36:29,440 --> 02:36:27,860
crossing of the t's before we release

3696
02:36:32,260 --> 02:36:29,450
data so you can't have it both ways

3697
02:36:33,790 --> 02:36:32,270
Lance either you go and do it in a

3698
02:36:36,580 --> 02:36:33,800
scientific method and do it correctly

3699
02:36:39,880 --> 02:36:36,590
with peer-review and don't release your

3700
02:36:42,219 --> 02:36:39,890
data no matter who wants it or you go

3701
02:36:44,530 --> 02:36:42,229
ahead and do you know the mail but catch

3702
02:36:46,540 --> 02:36:44,540
them route of allowing it to be leaked

3703
02:36:48,570 --> 02:36:46,550
and shooting yourself in the foot before

3704
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the thing even gets off the ground so

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both ways Lance I don't want this I

3706
02:36:57,040 --> 02:36:54,590
don't get me started here okay I have

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02:36:59,200 --> 02:36:57,050
spent a lot of time identifying the most

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important people in the field in terms

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of what I think are the individuals that

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02:37:06,550 --> 02:37:03,229
are doing groundbreaking work that can

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take this whole subject area forward

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okay I'm serious about this

3713
02:37:14,290 --> 02:37:11,630
race stanford is one of those people i

3714
02:37:16,059 --> 02:37:14,300
don't care what anybody says

3715
02:37:18,880 --> 02:37:16,069
i spent so much time on this guy i've

3716
02:37:20,530 --> 02:37:18,890
seen as evidence you haven't well like

3717
02:37:22,630 --> 02:37:20,540
like everyone else then I'll just wait

3718
02:37:23,980 --> 02:37:22,640
for the scientific report but until then

3719
02:37:25,630 --> 02:37:23,990
you don't have anything

3720
02:37:27,880 --> 02:37:25,640
I think fair enough we can always hope

3721
02:37:29,139 --> 02:37:27,890
before ray leaves us that we'll get to

3722
02:37:30,969 --> 02:37:29,149
see some more of his evidence certainly

3723
02:37:32,740 --> 02:37:30,979
the stuff he's done sick acknowledge II

3724
02:37:40,330 --> 02:37:32,750
it's a study of dinosaur trace evidence

3725
02:37:42,010 --> 02:37:40,340
or the story in The Washington Post he

3726
02:37:43,870 --> 02:37:42,020
could do it looking up and and and the

3727
02:37:45,790 --> 02:37:43,880
world will we'll find out about it

3728
02:37:48,969 --> 02:37:45,800
eventually when when he's ready when

3729
02:37:51,519 --> 02:37:48,979
he's I'm not pressing him to and he's

3730
02:37:53,950 --> 02:37:51,529
not he's not in a position to be pressed

3731
02:37:55,450 --> 02:37:53,960
right now he's he's he's a man on a

3732
02:37:58,330 --> 02:37:55,460
mission this has been a fascinating

3733
02:38:01,450 --> 02:37:58,340
discussion neighbors this has been a lot

3734
02:38:02,740 --> 02:38:01,460
of fun watching Chris and Lance go at it

3735
02:38:04,269 --> 02:38:02,750
there especially the last few minutes

3736
02:38:05,889 --> 02:38:04,279
Lance where do we find more of your

3737
02:38:07,630 --> 02:38:05,899
stuff well I don't know that I really

3738
02:38:10,599 --> 02:38:07,640
have any stuff but I do have a blog at

3739
02:38:12,370 --> 02:38:10,609
nada ghosts calm and I very rarely write

3740
02:38:14,139 --> 02:38:12,380
there but if you're interested in

3741
02:38:16,929 --> 02:38:14,149
reading some of that stuff I did write

3742
02:38:18,429 --> 02:38:16,939
up the thing about in brog now if you're

3743
02:38:19,929 --> 02:38:18,439
interested in reading that and that's

3744
02:38:21,730 --> 02:38:19,939
about it I don't have any books or

3745
02:38:24,580 --> 02:38:21,740
anything to sell okay but you can also

3746
02:38:26,469 --> 02:38:24,590
find him over at forum dr. Peric ascom

3747
02:38:28,540 --> 02:38:26,479
you can find Chris O'Brien at our

3748
02:38:30,670 --> 02:38:28,550
strange planet.com in addition to being

3749
02:38:33,099 --> 02:38:30,680
a moderator on our forums and we'll have

3750
02:38:35,469 --> 02:38:33,109
more excitement next week as always on

3751
02:38:39,099 --> 02:38:35,479
the podcast you can find us at the power

3752
02:38:42,370 --> 02:38:39,109
cast comm or our forums at forum duck

3753
02:38:44,500 --> 02:38:42,380
Lapera cast calm lance Moody thank you

3754
02:38:54,570 --> 02:38:44,510
so much for being a mensch and joining

3755
02:39:01,120 --> 02:38:58,090
the para cast featuring gene Steinberg

3756
02:39:04,120 --> 02:39:01,130
and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted

3757
02:39:05,100 --> 02:39:04,130
presentation of making the impossible in

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corporator